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<DIV><FONT size=4>Kevin,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Finally I get to disagree!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>BTW thank you for all the time you have spent sharing you
wisdom. I have gained a lot of knowledge reading you comments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Now if I could just gain intelligence and wisdom!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Lanny Henson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 05, 2012 11:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free
biomass pellet fueled stove</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Anil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nariphaltan@gmail.com href="mailto:nariphaltan@gmail.com">nari
phaltan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free
biomass pellet fueled stove</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>Dear Prof Nurhuda,</B></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>It is
a very impressive development and you are right in expecting a suitable rate
of return on your intellectual property. Such requests for waiving rights
have also been received by us for our ethanol stove work before from some
members of the group.</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>All
the best.</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>Anil
K Rajvanshi</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id"
target=_blank>mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Dear Prof. Anderson,<BR><BR>The equipments used to
produce the stove are actually the standard<BR>equipments used in the
kerosene stove production. They are hydraulic<BR>press, welding equipment,
roller, and still many other equipments.<BR><BR>The number of personals
are 30 persons, but those are involved in the<BR>production, due to still
lower demand, is only 6-10 persons.<BR><BR>The maximum production
capacity, at moment, around 500 units in week. But<BR>we can increase up
to 1000 units in week. It depends on the difficulty<BR>level, the stove
dimension and still many other things.<BR><BR>The expenses used in the
development of new stoves are mostly for research<BR>and purchasing or
build new equipments. We have spent more tens thousands<BR>US$ from our
start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree to any proposal<BR>to
intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it to me two
years<BR>ago.<BR><BR>Kind regards<BR>M.
Nurhuda<BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR>M. Nurhuda<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR><BR>> Dear M. Nurhuda,<BR>><BR>> Thank you for
the info.<BR>><BR>> Many of us are curious about your workshop to
produce such nice items.<BR>> Questions include the equipment,
personnel, and production capacity.<BR>><BR>> With
appreciation,<BR>><BR>> Paul<BR>><BR>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD
aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>> Email: <A
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A> Skype:
paultlud Phone: <A href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072"
value="+13094527072">+1-309-452-7072</A><BR>> Website: <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com"
target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A><BR>><BR>> On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron
Larson wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Lists:<BR>>><BR>>>
Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this additional information
on<BR>>> his recently announced stove.<BR>>><BR>>>
Ron<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Begin forwarded
message:<BR>>><BR></DIV>>>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <<A
href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</A><BR>>>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>>
*Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST<BR>>>> *To:* <A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>
*Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove*<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>>>><BR>>>> Dear Mr
Larson,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thank a lot for your email. The
stove is my recent attempt in order<BR>>>> biomass pellet can be
well burnt. Previously, I developed stove fueled<BR>>>>
wit<BR>>>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for
palm kernel shell,<BR>>>> but<BR>>>> it is not
immediately good for biomass pellet. There are a lot of<BR>>>>
things<BR>>>> that have to be
optimized.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Yes, the excess air can be seen
from the appearance of the flame.<BR>>>> Optimal<BR>>>>
secondary air would produce very transparent,short flame, though
it<BR>>>> must<BR>>>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin
Pemberton Pigott has witnessed the stove<BR>>>> as I demonstrated
it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last October.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I
just started to sell this pellet stoves. At the moment, I
got<BR>>>> purchasing<BR>>>> order of 1200 stoves. It
occurs after the buyer perform test by<BR>>>>
himself.<BR>>>> However, due to limited capacity of our workshop,
the buyer must wait<BR>>>> up<BR>>>> to 3 months right
now. At the moment, we are manufacturing 1600<BR>>>> chopped-wood
fueled stoves for project in Sumba Island,
Indonesia.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The percentage of charcoal by
weight is 20-25%. Some time it is less.<BR>>>>
But<BR>>>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until
the last smoke<BR>>>> production.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Biochar is char that contains volatile matter (VM) less then 3%.
When<BR>>>> the<BR>>>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the
reaction of VM and water can lead the<BR>>>> acidic soil
condition, and it is not good for the plant. We believe<BR>>>>
that<BR>>>> the biochar produced by combustion of our stove is
VM-free, such that<BR>>>> it<BR>>>> is good for soil
conditioner.<BR>>>><BR>>>> As you might know, my
background is a theoretical atomic and laser<BR>>>> physicist. I
do not know some specific terms like turn-down ratio. I<BR>>>>
started to develop stoves in the late 2008. In addition, I do not
have<BR>>>> laboratory, just small workshop that produces the
stoves. So far, the<BR>>>> performance tests are performed by
external laboratories. In 2010 test<BR>>>> performed by PT Puser
Bumi in cooperation with directory of bioenergy,<BR>>>> republic
of Indonesia, our wood chopped stoves was the best among
other<BR>>>> 60<BR>>>>
stoves.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Kind regards<BR>>>> M.
Nurhuda<BR>>>><BR>>>> > Prof. Nurhuda<BR>>>>
> This is a really fine looking stove. The part that intrigues me
most<BR>>>> is<BR>>>> that you are controlling secondary
air for the pyrolysis gases. And<BR>>>> apparently doing it (and
primary air) well with the rotating disc<BR>>>> mechanism. I do
not recall seeing any other stove controlling both<BR>>>>
(without a fan) - so any data on the value of that for users of
the<BR>>>> stove<BR>>>> > could be very helpful to
others. (Can they control excess air by the<BR>>>>
look<BR>>>> > of the flame?)<BR>>>> > A few
questions:<BR>>>> > the price?<BR>>>> > sales
going well?<BR>>>> > what percentage char by
weight?<BR>>>> > any soil improvement results from using the
biochar?<BR>>>> > can you do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio?
(based on your two stated<BR>>>> power<BR>>>> >
levels)<BR>>>> > apparently you are striving for biochar
(great!), but can you<BR>>>> describe<BR>>>> conditions
if you try to burn the produced char?<BR>>>> > any efficiency
data?<BR>>>> > you appear to be pre-heating both primary and
secondary air - can you<BR>>>> attribute any performance
improvement to that? (I know of no-one else<BR>>>> doing
both)<BR>>>> > Thanks for the alert on your
stove.<BR>>>> > Ron<BR>>>> > ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>> > <A
href="mailto:From%3Amnurhuda@ub.ac.id">From:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</A><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=im>>>> <<A
href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id"
target=_blank>http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id</A>><BR>>>>
> <A
href="mailto:To%3Astoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">To:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>>>>
<<A
href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR>>>>
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM<BR>>>> >
Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<BR>>>>
> Dear all,<BR>>>> > Please check to following page to see
the video of our smoke-free,<BR>>>> biomass-pellet fueled
stove:<BR>>>> ><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be</A><BR>>>>
> Kind regards<BR>>>> > M. Nurhuda<BR>>>> >
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