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Dear Kevin,<br>
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Please define "Imperialism" since it's not clear from the context
what you mean.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ronald von der Neuenkleinindustrieparkanlage<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.11.2012 05:37, Kevin wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Anil</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still
alive and well.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
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href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 06,
2012 12:09 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Fwd:
Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove</div>
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<font color="#333399"><font size="+0"><font
face="tahoma,sans-serif"><b>Dear Prof Nurhuda,</b></font></font></font>
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face="tahoma,sans-serif"><b><br>
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<div><font color="#333399"><font size="+0"><font
face="tahoma,sans-serif"><b>It is a very impressive
development and you are right in expecting a suitable
rate of return on your intellectual property. Such
requests for waiving rights have also been received by
us for our ethanol stove work before from some members
of the group.</b></font></font></font></div>
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face="tahoma,sans-serif"><b><br>
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<div><font color="#333399"><font size="+0"><font
face="tahoma,sans-serif"><b>All the best.</b></font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#333399"><font size="+0"><font
face="tahoma,sans-serif"><b>Anil K Rajvanshi</b></font></font></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id" target="_blank">mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Dear
Prof. Anderson,<br>
<br>
The equipments used to produce the stove are actually the
standard<br>
equipments used in the kerosene stove production. They are
hydraulic<br>
press, welding equipment, roller, and still many other
equipments.<br>
<br>
The number of personals are 30 persons, but those are
involved in the<br>
production, due to still lower demand, is only 6-10
persons.<br>
<br>
The maximum production capacity, at moment, around 500
units in week. But<br>
we can increase up to 1000 units in week. It depends on
the difficulty<br>
level, the stove dimension and still many other things.<br>
<br>
The expenses used in the development of new stoves are
mostly for research<br>
and purchasing or build new equipments. We have spent more
tens thousands<br>
US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree
to any proposal<br>
to intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it
to me two years<br>
ago.<br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
M. Nurhuda<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
M. Nurhuda<br>
<div class="im"><br>
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> Dear M. Nurhuda,<br>
><br>
> Thank you for the info.<br>
><br>
> Many of us are curious about your workshop to
produce such nice items.<br>
> Questions include the equipment, personnel, and
production capacity.<br>
><br>
> With appreciation,<br>
><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
> Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>
> Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072">+1-309-452-7072</a><br>
> Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br>
><br>
> On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron Larson wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Lists:<br>
>><br>
>> Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this
additional information on<br>
>> his recently announced stove.<br>
>><br>
>> Ron<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Begin forwarded message:<br>
>><br>
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>>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</a>>><br>
>>> *Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST<br>
>>> *To:* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
>>> *Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass
pellet fueled stove*<br>
<div>
<div class="h5">>>><br>
>>> Dear Mr Larson,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thank a lot for your email. The stove is
my recent attempt in order<br>
>>> biomass pellet can be well burnt.
Previously, I developed stove fueled<br>
>>> wit<br>
>>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was
excellent for palm kernel shell,<br>
>>> but<br>
>>> it is not immediately good for biomass
pellet. There are a lot of<br>
>>> things<br>
>>> that have to be optimized.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes, the excess air can be seen from the
appearance of the flame.<br>
>>> Optimal<br>
>>> secondary air would produce very
transparent,short flame, though it<br>
>>> must<br>
>>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin Pemberton
Pigott has witnessed the stove<br>
>>> as I demonstrated it in Yayasan Dian
Desa, last October.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I just started to sell this pellet
stoves. At the moment, I got<br>
>>> purchasing<br>
>>> order of 1200 stoves. It occurs after the
buyer perform test by<br>
>>> himself.<br>
>>> However, due to limited capacity of our
workshop, the buyer must wait<br>
>>> up<br>
>>> to 3 months right now. At the moment, we
are manufacturing 1600<br>
>>> chopped-wood fueled stoves for project in
Sumba Island, Indonesia.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The percentage of charcoal by weight is
20-25%. Some time it is less.<br>
>>> But<br>
>>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very
well until the last smoke<br>
>>> production.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Biochar is char that contains volatile
matter (VM) less then 3%. When<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the
reaction of VM and water can lead the<br>
>>> acidic soil condition, and it is not good
for the plant. We believe<br>
>>> that<br>
>>> the biochar produced by combustion of our
stove is VM-free, such that<br>
>>> it<br>
>>> is good for soil conditioner.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As you might know, my background is a
theoretical atomic and laser<br>
>>> physicist. I do not know some specific
terms like turn-down ratio. I<br>
>>> started to develop stoves in the late
2008. In addition, I do not have<br>
>>> laboratory, just small workshop that
produces the stoves. So far, the<br>
>>> performance tests are performed by
external laboratories. In 2010 test<br>
>>> performed by PT Puser Bumi in cooperation
with directory of bioenergy,<br>
>>> republic of Indonesia, our wood chopped
stoves was the best among other<br>
>>> 60<br>
>>> stoves.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Kind regards<br>
>>> M. Nurhuda<br>
>>><br>
>>> > Prof. Nurhuda<br>
>>> > This is a really fine looking stove.
The part that intrigues me most<br>
>>> is<br>
>>> that you are controlling secondary air
for the pyrolysis gases. And<br>
>>> apparently doing it (and primary air)
well with the rotating disc<br>
>>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any
other stove controlling both<br>
>>> (without a fan) - so any data on the
value of that for users of the<br>
>>> stove<br>
>>> > could be very helpful to others.
(Can they control excess air by the<br>
>>> look<br>
>>> > of the flame?)<br>
>>> > A few questions:<br>
>>> > the price?<br>
>>> > sales going well?<br>
>>> > what percentage char by weight?<br>
>>> > any soil improvement results from
using the biochar?<br>
>>> > can you do more than a 4:3 turndown
ratio? (based on your two stated<br>
>>> power<br>
>>> > levels)<br>
>>> > apparently you are striving for
biochar (great!), but can you<br>
>>> describe<br>
>>> conditions if you try to burn the
produced char?<br>
>>> > any efficiency data?<br>
>>> > you appear to be pre-heating both
primary and secondary air - can you<br>
>>> attribute any performance improvement to
that? (I know of no-one else<br>
>>> doing both)<br>
>>> > Thanks for the alert on your stove.<br>
>>> > Ron<br>
>>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:From%3Amnurhuda@ub.ac.id">From:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</a><br>
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href="mailto:To%3Astoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">To:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
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>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012
5:03:54 PM<br>
>>> > Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass
pellet fueled stove<br>
>>> > Dear all,<br>
>>> > Please check to following page to see
the video of our smoke-free,<br>
>>> biomass-pellet fueled stove:<br>
>>> ><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be"
target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be</a><br>
>>> > Kind regards<br>
>>> > M. Nurhuda<br>
>>> >
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