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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kevin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is a stretch and an insult to everyone on the stoves list to suggest that they are practicing “classic imperialism” or “technology capitalism.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are their people in the stoves community who take advantage of others? Unfortunately there are but they don’t necessarily fit your labels.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now if I were to characterize you with your musing as an otherwise intelligent old man who exploits this list just for his own entertainment, and no productive purpose, then I would call that “intellectual imperialism” because at those times you dominate the list and rob us of valuable intellectual resources that should be used to help those in need. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear Ronald</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I was struck by the apparent parallel between "Classic Old Time Imperialism" in the Physical world, and "Technology Capitalism" in the "Stoves World." Examples of the "Classic Old Time Capitalism" would be of the Romans who conquered Countries for their Resources, and the Spaniards conquered the Mayans and Incas for their Gold, as compared to "Technology Capitalism", where a Member or Members of the "Stoves List World" seek to take New Technology, "The Gold of the Stoves World" from "lesser powers."</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Imperialism is defined at <a href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism">http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism</a> Classic Imperialism usually involved exploitation of a smaller or weaker Country or people by a more powerful Government or Country, where "the Imperialist" takes labour and tangible resources from the Country or people it dominates. The parallel with "Classic Imperialism" is perhaps weak, in that neither Governments nor tangible resources are involved, but rather, Individuals and abstract Technology.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Perhaps my parallel was "too big a stretch." What do you think?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:rwhongser@web.de" title="rwhongser@web.de">Ronald Hongsermeier</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:19 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Kevin,<br><br>Please define "Imperialism" since it's not clear from the context what you mean.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ronald von der Neuenkleinindustrieparkanlage<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 06.11.2012 05:37, Kevin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear Anil</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and well.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nariphaltan@gmail.com" title="nariphaltan@gmail.com">nari phaltan</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333399'>Dear Prof Nurhuda,</span></b> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333399'>It is a very impressive development and you are right in expecting a suitable rate of return on your intellectual property. Such requests for waiving rights have also been received by us for our ethanol stove work before from some members of the group.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333399'>All the best.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#333399'>Anil K Rajvanshi</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <<a href="mailto:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id" target="_blank">mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Prof. Anderson,<br><br>The equipments used to produce the stove are actually the standard<br>equipments used in the kerosene stove production. They are hydraulic<br>press, welding equipment, roller, and still many other equipments.<br><br>The number of personals are 30 persons, but those are involved in the<br>production, due to still lower demand, is only 6-10 persons.<br><br>The maximum production capacity, at moment, around 500 units in week. But<br>we can increase up to 1000 units in week. It depends on the difficulty<br>level, the stove dimension and still many other things.<br><br>The expenses used in the development of new stoves are mostly for research<br>and purchasing or build new equipments. We have spent more tens thousands<br>US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree to any proposal<br>to intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it to me two years<br>ago.<br><br>Kind regards<br>M. Nurhuda<br><br><br><br>Regards<br>M. Nurhuda<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>> Dear M. Nurhuda,<br>><br>> Thank you for the info.<br>><br>> Many of us are curious about your workshop to produce such nice items.<br>> Questions include the equipment, personnel, and production capacity.<br>><br>> With appreciation,<br>><br>> Paul<br>><br>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>> Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072">+1-309-452-7072</a><br>> Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br>><br>> On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron Larson wrote:<br>>><br>>> Lists:<br>>><br>>> Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this additional information on<br>>> his recently announced stove.<br>>><br>>> Ron<br>>><br>>><br>>> Begin forwarded message:<br>>><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>>>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <<a href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</a><br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com">mnurhuda@gmail.com</a>>><br>>>> *Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST<br>>>> *To:* <a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>>>> *Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove*<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>>><br>>>> Dear Mr Larson,<br>>>><br>>>> Thank a lot for your email. The stove is my recent attempt in order<br>>>> biomass pellet can be well burnt. Previously, I developed stove fueled<br>>>> wit<br>>>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for palm kernel shell,<br>>>> but<br>>>> it is not immediately good for biomass pellet. There are a lot of<br>>>> things<br>>>> that have to be optimized.<br>>>><br>>>> Yes, the excess air can be seen from the appearance of the flame.<br>>>> Optimal<br>>>> secondary air would produce very transparent,short flame, though it<br>>>> must<br>>>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin Pemberton Pigott has witnessed the stove<br>>>> as I demonstrated it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last October.<br>>>><br>>>> I just started to sell this pellet stoves. At the moment, I got<br>>>> purchasing<br>>>> order of 1200 stoves. It occurs after the buyer perform test by<br>>>> himself.<br>>>> However, due to limited capacity of our workshop, the buyer must wait<br>>>> up<br>>>> to 3 months right now. At the moment, we are manufacturing 1600<br>>>> chopped-wood fueled stoves for project in Sumba Island, Indonesia.<br>>>><br>>>> The percentage of charcoal by weight is 20-25%. Some time it is less.<br>>>> But<br>>>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until the last smoke<br>>>> production.<br>>>><br>>>> Biochar is char that contains volatile matter (VM) less then 3%. When<br>>>> the<br>>>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the reaction of VM and water can lead the<br>>>> acidic soil condition, and it is not good for the plant. We believe<br>>>> that<br>>>> the biochar produced by combustion of our stove is VM-free, such that<br>>>> it<br>>>> is good for soil conditioner.<br>>>><br>>>> As you might know, my background is a theoretical atomic and laser<br>>>> physicist. I do not know some specific terms like turn-down ratio. I<br>>>> started to develop stoves in the late 2008. In addition, I do not have<br>>>> laboratory, just small workshop that produces the stoves. So far, the<br>>>> performance tests are performed by external laboratories. In 2010 test<br>>>> performed by PT Puser Bumi in cooperation with directory of bioenergy,<br>>>> republic of Indonesia, our wood chopped stoves was the best among other<br>>>> 60<br>>>> stoves.<br>>>><br>>>> Kind regards<br>>>> M. Nurhuda<br>>>><br>>>> > Prof. Nurhuda<br>>>> > This is a really fine looking stove. The part that intrigues me most<br>>>> is<br>>>> that you are controlling secondary air for the pyrolysis gases. And<br>>>> apparently doing it (and primary air) well with the rotating disc<br>>>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any other stove controlling both<br>>>> (without a fan) - so any data on the value of that for users of the<br>>>> stove<br>>>> > could be very helpful to others. (Can they control excess air by the<br>>>> look<br>>>> > of the flame?)<br>>>> > A few questions:<br>>>> > the price?<br>>>> > sales going well?<br>>>> > what percentage char by weight?<br>>>> > any soil improvement results from using the biochar?<br>>>> > can you do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio? (based on your two stated<br>>>> power<br>>>> > levels)<br>>>> > apparently you are striving for biochar (great!), but can you<br>>>> describe<br>>>> conditions if you try to burn the produced char?<br>>>> > any efficiency data?<br>>>> > you appear to be pre-heating both primary and secondary air - can you<br>>>> attribute any performance improvement to that? (I know of no-one else<br>>>> doing both)<br>>>> > Thanks for the alert on your stove.<br>>>> > Ron<br>>>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> > <a href="mailto:From%3Amnurhuda@ub.ac.id">From:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>>> <<a href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id" target="_blank">http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id</a>><br>>>> > <a href="mailto:To%3Astoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">To:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>>>> <<a href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM<br>>>> > Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<br>>>> > Dear all,<br>>>> > Please check to following page to see the video of our smoke-free,<br>>>> biomass-pellet fueled stove:<br>>>> ><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be</a><br>>>> > Kind regards<br>>>> > M. 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