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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Ronald</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I was struck by the apparent parallel between "Classic Old
Time Imperialism" in the Physical world, and "Technology Capitalism" in the
"Stoves World." Examples of the "Classic Old Time Capitalism" would be of
the Romans who conquered Countries for their Resources, and the Spaniards
conquered the Mayans and Incas for their Gold, as compared to "Technology
Capitalism", where a Member or Members of the "Stoves List World" seek to
take New Technology, "The Gold of the Stoves World" from "lesser
powers."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Imperialism is defined at <A
href="http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism">http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism</A>
Classic Imperialism usually involved exploitation of a smaller or weaker Country
or people by a more powerful Government or Country, where "the Imperialist"
takes labour and tangible resources from the Country or people it dominates. The
parallel with "Classic Imperialism" is perhaps weak, in that neither Governments
nor tangible resources are involved, but rather, Individuals and abstract
Technology.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Perhaps my parallel was "too big a stretch." What do you
think?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rwhongser@web.de href="mailto:rwhongser@web.de">Ronald
Hongsermeier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:19
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free
biomass pellet fueled stove</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Kevin,<BR><BR>Please define "Imperialism" since it's not
clear from the context what you mean.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Ronald von der
Neuenkleinindustrieparkanlage<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 06.11.2012 05:37, Kevin wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Anil</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and
well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nariphaltan@gmail.com href="mailto:nariphaltan@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">nari phaltan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 06, 2012
12:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free
biomass pellet fueled stove</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>Dear Prof Nurhuda,</B></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>It
is a very impressive development and you are right in expecting a suitable
rate of return on your intellectual property. Such requests for waiving
rights have also been received by us for our ethanol stove work before
from some members of the group.</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>All
the best.</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#333399><FONT size=+0><FONT
face=tahoma,sans-serif><B>Anil K Rajvanshi</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face=tahoma,sans-serif><B><BR></B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Dear Prof. Anderson,<BR><BR>The equipments used to
produce the stove are actually the standard<BR>equipments used in the
kerosene stove production. They are hydraulic<BR>press, welding
equipment, roller, and still many other equipments.<BR><BR>The number of
personals are 30 persons, but those are involved in the<BR>production,
due to still lower demand, is only 6-10 persons.<BR><BR>The maximum
production capacity, at moment, around 500 units in week. But<BR>we can
increase up to 1000 units in week. It depends on the
difficulty<BR>level, the stove dimension and still many other
things.<BR><BR>The expenses used in the development of new stoves are
mostly for research<BR>and purchasing or build new equipments. We have
spent more tens thousands<BR>US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I
therefore disagree to any proposal<BR>to intelectual right removal, as
you ever wrote about it to me two years<BR>ago.<BR><BR>Kind
regards<BR>M. Nurhuda<BR><BR><BR><BR>Regards<BR>M. Nurhuda<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR><BR>> Dear M. Nurhuda,<BR>><BR>> Thank you
for the info.<BR>><BR>> Many of us are curious about your workshop
to produce such nice items.<BR>> Questions include the equipment,
personnel, and production capacity.<BR>><BR>> With
appreciation,<BR>><BR>> Paul<BR>><BR>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD
aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>> Email: <A
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</A> Skype: paultlud
Phone: <A href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" moz-do-not-send="true"
value="+13094527072">+1-309-452-7072</A><BR>> Website: <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">www.drtlud.com</A><BR>><BR>> On 11/5/2012
1:13 AM, Ron Larson wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>
Lists:<BR>>><BR>>> Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my
forwarding this additional information on<BR>>> his recently
announced stove.<BR>>><BR>>>
Ron<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Begin forwarded
message:<BR>>><BR></DIV>>>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda
<<A href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mnurhuda@gmail.com</A><BR>>>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mnurhuda@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>>
*Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST<BR>>>> *To:* <A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>
*Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove*<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>>>><BR>>>> Dear Mr
Larson,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thank a lot for your email. The
stove is my recent attempt in order<BR>>>> biomass pellet can
be well burnt. Previously, I developed stove fueled<BR>>>>
wit<BR>>>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for
palm kernel shell,<BR>>>> but<BR>>>> it is not
immediately good for biomass pellet. There are a lot of<BR>>>>
things<BR>>>> that have to be
optimized.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Yes, the excess air can be
seen from the appearance of the flame.<BR>>>>
Optimal<BR>>>> secondary air would produce very
transparent,short flame, though it<BR>>>> must<BR>>>>
not be blue...... Mr Crispin Pemberton Pigott has witnessed the
stove<BR>>>> as I demonstrated it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last
October.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I just started to sell this
pellet stoves. At the moment, I got<BR>>>>
purchasing<BR>>>> order of 1200 stoves. It occurs after the
buyer perform test by<BR>>>> himself.<BR>>>> However,
due to limited capacity of our workshop, the buyer must
wait<BR>>>> up<BR>>>> to 3 months right now. At the
moment, we are manufacturing 1600<BR>>>> chopped-wood fueled
stoves for project in Sumba Island,
Indonesia.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The percentage of charcoal by
weight is 20-25%. Some time it is less.<BR>>>>
But<BR>>>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until
the last smoke<BR>>>>
production.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Biochar is char that
contains volatile matter (VM) less then 3%. When<BR>>>>
the<BR>>>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the reaction of VM and
water can lead the<BR>>>> acidic soil condition, and it is not
good for the plant. We believe<BR>>>> that<BR>>>> the
biochar produced by combustion of our stove is VM-free, such
that<BR>>>> it<BR>>>> is good for soil
conditioner.<BR>>>><BR>>>> As you might know, my
background is a theoretical atomic and laser<BR>>>> physicist.
I do not know some specific terms like turn-down ratio.
I<BR>>>> started to develop stoves in the late 2008. In
addition, I do not have<BR>>>> laboratory, just small workshop
that produces the stoves. So far, the<BR>>>> performance tests
are performed by external laboratories. In 2010 test<BR>>>>
performed by PT Puser Bumi in cooperation with directory of
bioenergy,<BR>>>> republic of Indonesia, our wood chopped
stoves was the best among other<BR>>>> 60<BR>>>>
stoves.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Kind regards<BR>>>> M.
Nurhuda<BR>>>><BR>>>> > Prof.
Nurhuda<BR>>>> > This is a really fine looking stove. The
part that intrigues me most<BR>>>> is<BR>>>> that you
are controlling secondary air for the pyrolysis gases.
And<BR>>>> apparently doing it (and primary air) well with the
rotating disc<BR>>>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any
other stove controlling both<BR>>>> (without a fan) - so any
data on the value of that for users of the<BR>>>>
stove<BR>>>> > could be very helpful to others. (Can they
control excess air by the<BR>>>> look<BR>>>> > of
the flame?)<BR>>>> > A few questions:<BR>>>> >
the price?<BR>>>> > sales going well?<BR>>>> >
what percentage char by weight?<BR>>>> > any soil
improvement results from using the biochar?<BR>>>> > can you
do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio? (based on your two
stated<BR>>>> power<BR>>>> >
levels)<BR>>>> > apparently you are striving for biochar
(great!), but can you<BR>>>> describe<BR>>>>
conditions if you try to burn the produced char?<BR>>>> >
any efficiency data?<BR>>>> > you appear to be pre-heating
both primary and secondary air - can you<BR>>>> attribute any
performance improvement to that? (I know of no-one else<BR>>>>
doing both)<BR>>>> > Thanks for the alert on your
stove.<BR>>>> > Ron<BR>>>> > ----- Original
Message -----<BR>>>> > <A
href="mailto:From%3Amnurhuda@ub.ac.id"
moz-do-not-send="true">From:mnurhuda@ub.ac.id</A><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=im>>>> <<A
href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40ub.ac.id</A>><BR>>>>
> <A href="mailto:To%3Astoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">To:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>>>>
<<A
href="http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR>>>>
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM<BR>>>> >
Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove<BR>>>>
> Dear all,<BR>>>> > Please check to following page to
see the video of our smoke-free,<BR>>>> biomass-pellet fueled
stove:<BR>>>> ><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be"
target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be</A><BR>>>>
> Kind regards<BR>>>> > M. Nurhuda<BR>>>> >
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