<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>how long this stove will last, I can make one for that price but...will this last?</span></div><div><span>at the end will more expensive to replace this stove, plus shipment, training, etc. why donīt make a smart investmen once and for all.</span></div><div><span></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <div style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class="hr" contentEditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dean Still <deankstill@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 9, 2012 4:13 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Stoves] Cost of stoves<br> </font> </div> <br>
<meta content="off" http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control"><div id="yiv224246188">Hi All,<div><br></div><div>Columbia University reported at the Forum in Uganda that, in the Millennium Villages in East Africa, a majority of cooks would buy a well made, high performance cook stove if it cost $10. So I'm thinking $10 retail when designing stoves these days. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Dean<br><br><div class="yiv224246188gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:28 AM, David G. LeVine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dlevine@speakeasy.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dlevine@speakeasy.net">dlevine@speakeasy.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 11/09/2012 08:52 AM, Paul Anderson
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<blockquote type="cite">Dear
David and Crispin,<br>
<br>
And where the wages are less than $100 per month (and some of that
money is for a reasonable meal during the work day), the labor
component is almost negligible compared to the costs of new (not
scrap) sheet metal.<br>
<br>
When the stove is ceramic/fired clay, the clay can be cheap but
there are the costs of firing it and then transporting it. So
the labor still adds only a relatively low amount to the stove.<br>
<br>
Can these low-income workers (yes, they have a job and they are
better off than those without any work) afford a $25 stove? That
would be a week of wages.<br>
<br>
Would any of us who live in the affluent societies pay one week of
wages for a stove? That might depend on your income!!! And we
have discretionary money far above the money needed for food and
lodging.<br>
<br>
Paul</blockquote>
<br>
In the USA, many stoves cost between $400 and $2,000 (US dollars),
and the mean seems to be about $1,000. That implies $1,500 in
income before taxes. Which implies an average income of $78,000
annually or $6,500 per month if a stove is one week's income. While
I feel this is high, it is pretty close, 1 week's income for a stove
is not unbelievable.<br>
<br>
Yes, those of us who live in an affluent society DO pay 1 week's
income for a stove, and then pay a fraction of that every month for
fuel or energy to run it.<br>
<br>
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