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and Paul are right if they also adopt the original idea with the TLUD-ND from
the 1980ties and see the TLUD as a kind of a wrapping for the fuel; <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">a unit loaded with energy to be put into a
stove.</I> Then you will have a lot of more possibilities. You will cover the
whole specter of energy needed for household and institutional cooking, bakery
and heating, with a lot of warranties of types of fuel, and easy to adjust to
local needs and local resources. The technology itself is so simple that a child
with a nail, a hammer and a tin can make a perfect clean burning unit. And the
most important it will create jobs near connected to the marked philosophy,
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=deankstill@gmail.com
href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">Dean Still</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 09, 2012 11:13 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Cost of stoves</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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All,
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<DIV>Columbia University reported at the Forum in Uganda that, in the Millennium
Villages in East Africa, a majority of cooks would buy a well made, high
performance cook stove if it cost $10. So I'm thinking $10 retail when designing
stoves these days. </DIV>
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<DIV>Best,</DIV>
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<DIV>Dean<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:28 AM, David G. LeVine <SPAN
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<DIV>On 11/09/2012 08:52 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Dear David and Crispin,<BR><BR>And where the wages
are less than $100 per month (and some of that money is for a reasonable
meal during the work day), the labor component is almost negligible compared
to the costs of new (not scrap) sheet metal.<BR><BR>When the stove is
ceramic/fired clay, the clay can be cheap but there are the costs of firing
it and then transporting it. So the labor still adds only a
relatively low amount to the stove.<BR><BR>Can these low-income workers
(yes, they have a job and they are better off than those without any work)
afford a $25 stove? That would be a week of wages.<BR><BR>Would
any of us who live in the affluent societies pay one week of wages for a
stove? That might depend on your income!!! And
we have discretionary money far above the money needed for food and
lodging.<BR><BR>Paul</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In the USA, many stoves cost between $400
and $2,000 (US dollars), and the mean seems to be about $1,000. That
implies $1,500 in income before taxes. Which implies an average income
of $78,000 annually or $6,500 per month if a stove is one week's income.
While I feel this is high, it is pretty close, 1 week's income for a stove is
not unbelievable.<BR><BR>Yes, those of us who live in an affluent society DO
pay 1 week's income for a stove, and then pay a fraction of that every month
for fuel or energy to run it.<BR><BR>Dave 8{)<SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
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