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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Ron</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>May I suggest for your consideration that there be two
distinct categories of stoves:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>1: Stoves whose intended purpose is cooking and heating.
(Cooking and Heating Stoves)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>2: Stoves whose purpose is "Climate Change Improvement."
(Climate Change Stoves)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Cooking and Heating stoves would have their efficiency
rated on the degree to which "incoming" fuel energy was used to get the job
done. Any char appearing in the ash would be a dead loss, as far as stove
efficiency was concerned. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>On the other hand, Climate Change Stoves would have their
efficiency rated on the difference between the energy content of the incoming
fuel and the energy content of the recovered char. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Relevant Testing Protocols could be developed for stoves
intended for either use. However, a given stove could be tested for both
applications.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wouldn't that simplify things?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=rongretlarson@comcast.net
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=rchiang@cleancookstoves.org
href="mailto:rchiang@cleancookstoves.org">Ranyee Chiang</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] ETHOS 2013: Where
is the New Data on Stove</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ranyee and
list:<BR><BR> Thank you for Monday's GACC response
(below) to Tom. Yours gives me a chance to urge a relatively small
addition to the 4.1.2 water boiling test we have recently discussed on this
list and to which I think you were responding. My requested addition is
to use already-collected data to also supply a new stove measure that will
help those (like myself) who believe stoves can play a major role in getting
both to zero fossil fuel use and also to 350 (or lower) ppm CO2. This
suggestion is solely built around the term "CO2" - which I don't see enough of
in the GACC web pages.<BR><BR> To do this, I want to
provide/emphasize the percent of the initial fuel's carbon that ended up as a
recalcitrant char for placement in soil (only then called biochar). All
of the data needed to do this are already being considered, but the ratio (a
number near 40-50%) is nowhere provided. Giving only the weight of the
char is insufficient (a ratio near 20-25%). This requested value can be given
either in C or CO2 terms (those dealing with geoengineering costs prefer C,
but carbon prices are almost universally given in CO2 (or CO2-eq)
terms). I think providing both variations will be helpful - especially
to emphasize the differences when costs enter the dialog. That is, a
price of $10/tonne CO2 is the same as $37/tonne C (and we need both to be
higher if we are interested n 350 ppm CO2). Too often, I see the terms
confused.<BR><BR> The present GACC handling of char weight is to
compute its energy content and subtract this from the input biomass energy in
the denominator of an energy efficiency computation. This bothers
some on this list, but I think is relatively OK if the char is eventually
productively used. But if one wants to really understand how well the
rest of the biomass was used that did not go into char production, then one
should simply divide the saved fossil energy's C or CO2 by the similar
quantity in the input biomass. It is NOT appropriate to say that all of
the CO2 produced in the WBT was carbon neutral. And different fossil
fuels would have different CO2 outputs; the displacement of methane
would displace about half as much CO2 as would displacement of
coal.<BR><BR> This complexity of the displaced fuel is not
highlighted in the GACC material. It is an unfortunate complexity
related to the percent hydrogen in the different fuels (including
charcoal seen as a fuel). Nevertheless, for those interested in
global warming, I suggest that this additional set of data provided by the
GACC WBT's will help clarify why many of us on the stove list are interested
in stove technologies (I was the first stove list coordinator - always
emphasizing how bad charcoal burning is). Additional GACC data will
emphasize the importance of both carbon neutrality and carbon negativity in
the stove world. I do not see sufficient recognition of this duality in
the present GACC material. The source of the char should be emphasized
when you report on the efficiency of jikos.<BR><BR> I recognize
that I have only given a broad brush description. I will work with the
small amount of charcoal-related data in EPA's (Jim Jetter's) approach and any
in the Berkeley data (which I have requested, but do not yet have from your
office). It is very unfortunate that there is still so little data to
work with for char-making stoves (too much in the "grey"
literature). If anyone can supply me with such data, I will calculate
the new CO2 data I am looking for. What I think we will find is
that char-making stoves have quite high efficiencies - in the range 80 to 90 %
- roughly 40-45% each for the carbon neutral and carbon negative
portions. This does not now come across in any GACC material I now
read. We absolutely need two efficiency numbers we can add together -
and I do not now see them.<BR><BR> To repeat the essence of the above -
CO2 is the only parameter I have found which can be used to analyze
carbon neutrality and negativity together. Weight and energy units do
not tell the CO2 story. An emphasis on energy alone is fine if you are
not interested in CO2-induced global warming. But the production of
biochar is necessarily accompanied by a reduction in energy. Biochar
enthusiasts recognize that we can't have both high energy output and high char
output. But both are now important. Having CO2 (or C)
appear in the numerators of the separate carbon neutral and carbon negative
terms seems to be a mathematical necessity. Having the energy content of
char appear only in the denominator of an energy efficiency computation means
that the whole story of char-making stoves is not being
told.<BR><BR> I welcome further dialog on this
topic.<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR>
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<B>From: </B>"Ranyee Chiang" <rchiang@cleancookstoves.org><BR><B>To:
</B>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<BR><B>Sent: </B>Monday, November 26, 2012
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Dear Tom and all,</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>I wanted to jump into this conversation to emphasize
that providing access to data on stove performance in the field is high on the
priority list for the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves. </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>The recently released <A
href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources/reports-and-research/?alliance_reports_research=alliance-reports&other=standards"
target=_blank>Stove Performance Inventory</A> has already been mentioned,
which was an effort to pull together existing publically available data for
laboratory and field testing. We will be having a <A
href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/media-and-events/events/alliance-webinar-stove-performance-inventory.html"
target=_blank>webinar</A> on December 11 4 pm GMT, which will cover the
development of the inventory, results, an overview of the existing format for
the Inventory, and discussion of next steps (keeping the inventory up to date,
improving the accessibility and query-ability of the interface, etc).</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>All projects selected through the external peer review
process and funded by the Global Alliance (published <A
href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/funding-opportunities/awardees.html"
target=_blank>online</A> when the grants are finalized) are required to make
their data publically available. The most relevant field studies came
out of a recent <A
href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/funding-opportunities/field-studies-to-evaluate.html"
target=_blank>Request for Applications</A>, and these projects are currently
getting started now. The information about these studies is getting
posted online as we speak, since these grants were only recently
finalized. And as these projects and other recently funded projects
progress, that work and the resulting data will be shared.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>A comment was also made about committees related to
standards and testing. We are working extremely hard to make discussions
and meetings inclusive and widely attended. We will continue to use
channels like this listserv to keep everyone updated about upcoming activities
(online, teleconference, and in person), and we will continue to support
travel to help people attend meetings in person. I have been posting
regular updates on standards and testing activities in the <A
href="http://community.cleancookstoves.org/discussions/viewcategory/22"
target=_blank>Communities section</A> of the Global Alliance website, and I am
happy to talk to anyone interested in more detailed updates.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Best regards,</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Ranyee</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ranyee Chiang, Ph.D.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Senior Technical Manager</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:06:01 +0000</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>From: "Bryden, Kenneth [M E]" <<A
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<P class=MsoPlainText>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> <<A
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Stoves] ETHOS 2013: Where is the New Data
on Stove</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> Performance
in the Field?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Message-ID:</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> <<A
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Tom,</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Sounds like a great idea and I'm sure by the flurry of
writing this weekend that it would attract a lot of interest. I also know that
there are a lot of questions that need be answered.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Maybe a format that could work would be a panel for the
whole group followed by a set of talks for those who wish to continue the
discussion. Can you put together a panel and a set of talks that would
represent the divergent views on this topic?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Dean - any thoughts</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Thanks</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Mark</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Tom Miles wrote:</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Mark,</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>You have listed a number of standards and protocol
topics. Now that GACC exists have we made any gains on the science side? Where
is the data? We should be generating good field data by now. I don?t
want to just hear reports about what people have decided in political
committees that nobody seems to be able to attend or vote in.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>I would like to see a critical review of the testing
protocols and methods with regard to the key metrics and emissions. For
example, the protocols to date have made assumptions about heating values of
fuels and residues ash and charcoal that I have always felt were just
placeholders until someone with larger research budgets could validate them.
Determining the amount of energy left in the ash or charcoal is a good
example. I often get asked what value to use for the remaining ash/charcoal. I
haven?t seen a test where the remaining charcoal/ash has been directly tested
for ash content and heating value.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Testing the benchmarks. Do the benchmarks that were
derived several years ago make sense now that we have improved tools for
measuring stove performance or do we get the same numbers because we?re using
the same tools? Do the benchmarks tell us anything about stove performance in
the field? Do stoves preform in the field in the same relative way they are
shown to perform in the lab or are some stoves much better than others (or
much worse) when they are used in the field? Are the stoves designed to the
test (e.g. WBT) or to the use in the field? Do some stoves perform best when
they are tested in the lab and fail in the field? Or, are we even testing for
this?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Field applications. Are our tools and metrics of any use
for improving stove performance in actual use? If so then how are projects in
developing countries using these tools to improve their fuel use and health?
How do local, nation, or regional stove projects use these tools to improve
their stoves, or do they just ignore them?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>QA/QC. When a program buys container loads of stoves how
do we know that they perform within the expectations created by the test
results? Do any of the manufactured stove suppliers test the quality and
performance of their stoves on a regular basis? Is there any monitoring?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>How has testing been used for different fuels? I was
inspired this week by a photo from Mexican which a construction worker was
using an LPG burner in an eCocina stove (Stove Team International) because it
substantially reduced his LG use. Can we compare fuel consumption for
different fuels? How good are our fuel consumption metrics?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Health. We still do not have proven direct correlation
between stove emissions and heath. Most of the data seems to be recycled. Are
there new health studies? Has GACC and the many supporting organizations
funded any of the fundamental health studies that every year Jay Smith tells
us are lacking?</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>These are some of the questions that I would like to see
addressed at ETHOS.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Looking forward to another productive ETHOS.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Thanks</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Tom</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>T R Miles Technical Consultants, Inc.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><A
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<P class=MsoPlainText><A
href="http://www.stove.bioenergylists.org%3chttp:/www.stove.bioenergylists.org"
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<P class=MsoPlainText>From: <A
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target=_blank><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none">ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu<mailto:ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu</SPAN></A>>
<A href="mailto:[mailto:ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu]" target=_blank><SPAN
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On Behalf Of Bryden, Kenneth [M E]</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:05 PM</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS -
Listserve</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Subject: [Ethos] ETHOS 2013</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>All,</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>It's that time of year again! We're starting to get the
activities together together for the ETHOS conference. The conference will be
January 25 - 27, 2013 in Seattle. Proposed discussion topics include</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>- Update on the Global Alliance and their activities</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>- Standardizing Reporting on IWA Indicators</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>- Stove Performance Inventory, Sharing Public Data, and
Establishing Common Data Formats</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>- Update on ISO Process</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>- Updates on Protocol Developments (including possibly
charcoal, plancha, batch-fed, durability, finalizing WBT from public comment
period)</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Let us know what else you would like to talk about. A
lot is happening and I'm sure it will be as exciting as ever. I'd appreciate
having your ideas on topics and panels by November 15.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Abstracts for papers and talks are due January 1.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>For more details, to register, and to submit your
abstract the conference web site is <A
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style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none">http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/conference.php</SPAN></A>.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Please send your ideas directly to Dean and I.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Best regards</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Mark</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Good idea. We can work on it over the next few of weeks.
Sorting out the objectives and use of tests, methods and formal protocols
would be the place to start.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:06 AM</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Stoves] ETHOS 2013: Where is the New Data
on Stove Performance in the Field?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Sounds like a great idea and I'm sure by the flurry of
writing this weekend that it would attract a lot of interest. I also know that
there are a lot of questions that need be answered.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Maybe a format that could work would be a panel for the
whole group followed by a set of talks for those who wish to continue the
discussion. Can you put together a panel and a set of talks that would
represent the divergent views on this topic?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Dean - any thoughts</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>On Nov 23, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Tom Miles wrote:</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Mark,</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>You have listed a number of standards and protocol
topics. Now that GACC exists have we made any gains on the science side? Where
is the data? We should be generating good field data by now. I don't
want to just hear reports about what people have decided in political
committees that nobody seems to be able to attend or vote in.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>I would like to see a critical review of the testing
protocols and methods with regard to the key metrics and emissions. For
example, the protocols to date have made assumptions about heating values of
fuels and residues ash and charcoal that I have always felt were just
placeholders until someone with larger research budgets could validate them.
Determining the amount of energy left in the ash or charcoal is a good
example. I often get asked what value to use for the remaining ash/charcoal. I
haven't seen a test where the remaining charcoal/ash has been directly tested
for ash content and heating value.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Testing the benchmarks. Do the benchmarks that were
derived several years ago make sense now that we have improved tools for
measuring stove performance or do we get the same numbers because we're using
the same tools? Do the benchmarks tell us anything about stove performance in
the field? Do stoves preform in the field in the same relative way they are
shown to perform in the lab or are some stoves much better than others (or
much worse) when they are used in the field? Are the stoves designed to the
test (e.g. WBT) or to the use in the field? Do some stoves perform best when
they are tested in the lab and fail in the field? Or, are we even testing for
this?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Field applications. Are our tools and metrics of any use
for improving stove performance in actual use? If so then how are projects in
developing countries using these tools to improve their fuel use and health?
How do local, nation, or regional stove projects use these tools to improve
their stoves, or do they just ignore them?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>QA/QC. When a program buys container loads of stoves how
do we know that they perform within the expectations created by the test
results? Do any of the manufactured stove suppliers test the quality and
performance of their stoves on a regular basis? Is there any monitoring?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>How has testing been used for different fuels? I was
inspired this week by a photo from Mexican which a construction worker was
using an LPG burner in an eCocina stove (Stove Team International) because it
substantially reduced his LG use. Can we compare fuel consumption for
different fuels? How good are our fuel consumption metrics?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Health. We still do not have proven direct correlation
between stove emissions and heath. Most of the data seems to be recycled. Are
there new health studies? Has GACC and the many supporting organizations
funded any of the fundamental health studies that every year Jay Smith tells
us are lacking?</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>These are some of the questions that I would like to see
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Looking forward to another productive ETHOS.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>On Behalf Of Bryden, Kenneth [M E]</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 2:05 PM</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS -
Listserve</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Subject: [Ethos] ETHOS 2013</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>All,</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>It's that time of year again! We're starting to get the
activities together together for the ETHOS conference. The conference will be
January 25 - 27,</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>2013 in Seattle. Proposed discussion topics include</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>- Update on the Global Alliance and their activities</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>- Standardizing Reporting on IWA Indicators</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>- Stove Performance Inventory, Sharing Public Data, and
Establishing Common Data Formats</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>- Update on ISO Process</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>- Updates on Protocol Developments (including possibly
charcoal, plancha, batch-fed, durability, finalizing WBT from public comment
period)</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Let us know what else you would like to talk about. A
lot is happening and I'm sure it will be as exciting as ever. I'd appreciate
having your ideas on topics and panels by November 15.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Abstracts for papers and talks are due January 1.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Please send your ideas directly to Dean and I.</P>
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