<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><style>p { margin: 0; }</style><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">Crispin:<br><br> 1. I don't get your point. Two sentences after the Romm statement you quote (below), Tami says:<br><br> <i>" Mitigating black carbon is good for curbing short-term climate
change, but to really solve the long-term climate problem, carbon
dioxide emissions must also be reduced,” </i><br><br> What is the difference between the Romm and Bond statements?<br><br> 2. Can you also give a cite for your claim (which I think is refuted by Tami's report - such as Fig.3.3):<br><br> "<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The great majority of BC is not human in origin ..."<br><br> </span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3.
My view is that paying more attention to BC will help with stove
development - especially char-making stoves with their much reduced
particulate release. Tami has made a much stronger case than "bad
publicity"- and Joe Romm seems to me to have caught the importance of
this by also bringing in BC's health aspect as well as <i>"</i></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">reducing regional climate change"</span></i>.<br><br>Ron<br></span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br></span></i><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:03:51 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 29, Issue 17<br><br><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Amanda</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Like several other bloggers, Romm seems to misunderstand the difference between forcing and warming. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">“This
demonstrates that curbing black carbon emissions could have significant
impact on reducing regional climate change while having a positive
impact on human health.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
great majority of BC is not human in origin so any ‘impact’ would be on
health, if we choose to have some impact. As work progresses on
defining the health impacts of ultra-fine particles from cooking fires,
we will have the attention of a larger audience than before. As they
say, there is no such thing as bad publicity. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For a healthier world…</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Crispin</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks Crispin. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here is an excellent summary of the article by Joe Romm on Climate Progress: </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/16/1452741/black-carbon-larger-cause-of-climate-change-than-previously-assessed/?mobile=nc" target="_blank">http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/16/1452741/black-carbon-larger-cause-of-climate-change-than-previously-assessed/?mobile=nc</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best, </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Amanda</p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><br clear="all"></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Amanda Joy Ravenhill<br> 207.206.4634<br> </p><div><p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"The challenge is to make the world work for <b>100% of humanity</b> in the shortest possible time, through <b>spontaneous cooperation</b> without ecological offense or disadvantage of anyone."<b> - </b>R. Buckminster Fuller</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, <<a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:</p><p class="MsoNormal">Send Stoves mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Stoves digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:26:20 -0500<br>From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>><br>To: "Stoves" <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Subject: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon<br>Message-ID: <00f301cdf41f$5e6f04f0$1b4d0ed0$@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Dear Friends<br><br><br><br>A new and I would say major major paper on the atmospheric impact of black<br>carbon particles is available for download. We know at least two of the<br>authors here on 'Stoves'. Profs Tami Bond and Philip Hopke (the aethalometer<br>builder who said he was a minor contributor) are frequent contributors on<br>the subject of emissions testing.<br><br><br><br>The paper is important because it is the first really detailed examination<br>of the effects of atmospheric heating by Black Carbon (BC).<br><br><br><br>The abstract is at<br><<a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract" target="_blank">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract</a>><br><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract" target="_blank">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract</a> and the paper<br>is at<br><br> <<a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf" target="_blank">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf</a>><br><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf" target="_blank">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf</a><br><br><br><br>It is not behind a paywall but it is large (40 MB). 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