<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Kevin and list: See below<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Kevin" <kchisholm@ca.inter.net><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:34:01 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Ron</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">You mention $16 and $27 per tonne CO2 equivalent. I
presume you are referring to a payment that one would receive when showing that
one has earned a tonne of CO2 equivalent.<br> <b>[RWL: Yup - examples only - hopefully larger.]</b><br></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">1: Where would one apply to get such
payments? <b>[RWL: Anywhere one can. Numerous stove promoters on this list already getting some.]</b><br></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">2: Who would be eligible to receive such
payments? <b>[RWL: Anyone who can prove they deserve them.]</b><br></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">3: What conditions must be met, before the payments would
actually be made? <b>[RWL: Whatever is acceptable to the presumably willing buyer of the credits.]</b><br></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I am concerned that with the state of the World Economy,
Governments will lose their interest in longer term Climate Change Concerns, and
would put their priorities on addressing short term and more immediate
concerns. <b>[RWL: We disagree.]</b><br></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">What are your views on the future of Carbon Credit
payments? <b>[RWL: They will slowly creep up in price (maybe in time to do some good). Biochar credits from char-making stoves look like the easiest to sell of any.<br><br>Ron]</b><br></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Thanks very much.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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<a title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:02
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] New paper on
atmospheric Black Carbon</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dean and
list:<br><br> Tami's is one huge report (232 pages in
a major journal sounds like a world record). I spent quite a few hours
today trying to grasp the topic - and know now I had better give up. The
Black Carbon problem is going to take experts like Tami to bring its
importance into the world of stoves. There may be an argument that if a
stove can prove $16/.tonne CO2, you might have a chance at proving up to
(or even more than?) $27/tonne CO2e, if you are in the right place on the
globe. (These numbers based on numbers given in terms of
W/sqm.) I recommend casual readers getting quickly to the
figures at the extreme end of the report/paper. There is a lot of useful
numercal geographic and sources comparisons there.<br><br>
As Crispin has indicated the intentional large scale annual burning of large
parts of Africa look like a good place to instead harvest and get useful
energy and biiochar instead (through stoves and
more).<br><br> Congratulations on arranging to have Tami be
the ETHOS key-noter. I think she may have been at the
first!<br><br>Ron<br><br>
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<b>From: </b>"Dean Still" <deankstill@gmail.com><br><b>To:
</b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January 16,
2013 2:05:27 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black
Carbon<br><br>Dear Friends,
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<div>Tami is the keynote speaker at ETHOS this year and it will be interesting
to hear what she's been learning!</div>
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<div>All Best,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Dean<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Friends<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A new and I would say major major paper on the
atmospheric impact of black carbon particles is available for download. We
know at least two of the authors here on ‘Stoves’. Profs Tami Bond and
Philip Hopke (the aethalometer builder who said he was a minor contributor)
are frequent contributors on the subject of emissions
testing.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The paper is important because it is the first really
detailed examination of the effects of atmospheric heating by Black Carbon
(BC). <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The abstract is at <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract" target="_blank"><span style="COLOR: blue">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract</span></a>
and the paper is at <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf" target="_blank"><span style="COLOR: blue">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">It is not behind a
paywall but it is large (40 MB). Times to get your hands dirty with
BC!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Crispin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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