<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Kevin, Crispin and list:<br><br> This is to also answer the two following messages from yourselves. I did not find them helpful - as they assume the only economics relate to the carbon credit. They assume nothing (repeat nothing) about the value to the user in outyear ag benefits. Tell me how farmers in the world will react to news that (for example) land worth zero today can be brought up to a productivity level the same as other existing ag land nearby (same rainfall etc.) Let's say that land can, after applying biochar be worth $500/ha rather than $0/ha. If those farmers have a discount rate of 5% or 50% will make a big difference on how much they will be willing to spend per tonne of biochar and how many tonnes per ha (which could be in rows or holes - not uniformly scattered). Which discount rate are you using for these out-year benefit computations? <br> You can't prove biochar is worthless by talking to this list only about credits of $6/tonne CO2.<br><br>More below.<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Kevin" <kchisholm@ca.inter.net><br><b>To: </b>rongretlarson@comcast.net, biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com, stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org, biochar-production@yahoogroups.com<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:29:17 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric Black Carbon<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Ron</font></div>
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<a title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net" href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">Kevin Chisholm</a> </div>
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atmospheric Black Carbon</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Kevin and
list: See below<br><br>
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<b>From: </b>"Kevin" <<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>><br><b>To:
</b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br><b>Sent:
</b>Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:34:01 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] New
paper on atmospheric Black Carbon<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Ron</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">You mention $16 and $27 per tonne CO2 equivalent. I
presume you are referring to a payment that one would receive when showing
that one has earned a tonne of CO2 equivalent.<br>
<b>[RWL: Yup - examples only - hopefully larger.]</b></font></div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font></div><font face="Arial"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4"># Prices seem to vary all
over the place to purchase carbon credits. What is the present price that a
biochar producer could expect to receive as a carbon Credit for the biochar he
produced? It is one thing to hope for future price increases for Carbon
Credits, but is that realistic? Would you perhaps have a graph that shows the
price trend for CarbonCrdits that you could share with the
Lists?</font></em></strong>
<div id="DWT441" style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </div></font></blockquote><b> [RWL2a: See my opening remarks. The price trend for credits has nothing to do with anything under discussion - especially about black carbon.]</b><br><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><br></div></font>
<div id="DWT440" style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </div><div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">1: Where would one apply to get such payments?
<b>[RWL: Anywhere one can. Numerous stove promoters on this list
already getting some.]</b></font></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><strong></strong> </div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><strong><em><font id="DWT442" size="4"># OK!! Can you tell the Stoves and Biochar Lists where they could apply
to get Carbon Credit payments for the biochar they
produce?</font></em></strong></div></blockquote> <b>[RWL2b: I am not in that business. If I were them I probably would keep that answer to myself - but feel free to ask stove sellers (which are maybe only for displaced CO2 - not char.]</b><br><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><strong><em><font size="4"></font></em></strong></div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font></blockquote>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">2: Who would be eligible to receive such payments?
<b>[RWL: Anyone who can prove they deserve
them.]</b></font></div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font></blockquote>
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sense.</em></font> </strong>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">3: What conditions must be met, before the payments would actually
be made? <b>[RWL: Whatever is acceptable to the presumably
willing buyer of the credits.]</b></font></div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font></blockquote>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font id="DWT443" size="4"># That does not make sense
at all! Surely there must be some rules or standards that must be met to
ensure that the Carbon Credits are real. If not, then the entire system is
open to fraud.</font></em></strong></font></blockquote> <b>[RWL2c: I have made no comments about an open market - and those don't yet exist. Of course, when we have organized markets accepting char as a vehicle, there will then be stringent rules. IBI and others are developing them now. The point in this dialog (referring back to $16 and $11) is that biochar from stoves can have a higher value (because of black carbon improvements) than biochar from some other sources.]</b><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><br></div></font>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">I am concerned that with the state of the World Economy,
Governments will lose their interest in longer term Climate Change Concerns,
and would put their priorities on addressing short term and more immediate
concerns. <b>[RWL: We disagree.]</b></font></div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font></blockquote>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font id="DWT444" size="4"># What is your basis for
disagreement? Kyoto seems to be dead in the water. At the last meeting, I
believe that most Governments said "We will do something about controlling CO2
emissions sometime after 2020, but we will not say what we will do, and when
we will do it." Is this a reasonable summation? If you feel not, what would
you feel is?</font></em></strong></font></div></blockquote> <b>[RWL2d: I am more of an optimist than you. Arctic ice totally disappearing in a year or two could be the wake-up call. <br>No yours is not a reasonable summation from my perspective. A lot of people are working to promote a meaningful price, And we don't need all governments to agree; I have hopes for a number of EU countries. And you didn't do more than repeat an opinion- which happens to differ from mine. Obviously I can't give proof of anything happening in the next few years - and that is why we should agree to disagree.</b>] <br><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4"></font></em></strong></font><font face="Arial"></font></div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">What are your views on the future of Carbon Credit payments?
<b>[RWL: They will slowly creep up in price (maybe in time to do
some good). Biochar credits from char-making stoves look like the
easiest to sell of any.</b></font></div><font face="Arial"><b></b></font></blockquote>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font id="DWT445" size="4"># The recent report on the
important impact of Black Carbon on climate change would seem to reduce the
relative importance of the CO2 parameter. As I understand it, most "generally
accepted Climate Change Models" were calibrated under the assumption that BC
was a minor or insignificant factor, and the model factors were adjusted to
relate observed temperature rise to anthropogenic CO2. Now that BC could
have a "forcing effect" perhaps 2/3 as great as the present forcing effect
attributed to CO2, recalibrating the models to reflect the increased
importance of BC will inherently diminish the importance of CO2 as a factor in
CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming). Accordingly, it would
seem reasonable to project a significant decline in "Carbon Credit Revenue" to
biochar producers. Does this seem reasonable? If not, why
not?</font></em></strong></font></div></blockquote> <b>[RWL2e: Re sentence #1: Tami Bond, in the quoted article (which this started out to be about) put major emphasis on CO2. Re your second sentence, all the models lump effects together under CO2e, not simply CO2. Re the last "reasonable" - You have it all wrong. I presume because you are still a climate denier and are looking for every way possible to make your denier view seem more reasonable.</b>]<br><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4"></font></em></strong></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font id="DWT446" size="4"># Concerning carbon credits for
biochar from char-making stoves, would you have an approximate idea of the
value of the carbon credits per tonne for such biochar? Would you have an
approximate idea of the annual tonnage of biochar that is sold in connection
with a carbon credit payment.</font></em></strong></font></div></blockquote><b> [RWL2f: Re #1, See my opening remarks. To repeat - there is no single value appropriate to all buyers and sellers of credits. This is a voluntary market - not a tax. If we were talking a subsidy, I think $100/tonne char ($35/tonne CO2) would make a huge difference - and is totally justified on strictly moral/ethical grounds (thinking of all our obligations to our children and grand-children and to developing countries. The US will benefit a lot more from paying such a subsidy - as the economy will suffer much worse from ocean rise, varied rainfall, size of storms, etc.<br> Re #2 sentence - I have no idea and doubt anyone does. I do hear people saying that char is in short supply. Such data will be partly available with an open market.</b> <b><br> Your whole line of questioning has nothing to do with BC from stoves and whether BC should be an important reason for near term action to promote cleaner char-making stoves.</b>]<br><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4"></font></em></strong></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font id="DWT447" size="4"># As we all know,
"adequate carbon credit payments" could lead to a huge increase in biochar
production and use. However, if it is unreasonable to believe that "adequate
carbon credit payments" will be available soon, then stoves and biochar must
rise on their own inherent merits, without such support. Holding onto a false
hope can only result in disappointment.</font></em></strong></font></div></blockquote> <b>[RWL2g: Re #1 - We agree. The reason that this is not happening is that too many do not see the ethics and morality of moving faster (on this I presume we disagree)<br> Re#2 - Agree with last part of sentence - and not with the first on timing.<br> Re #3 - Disagree. Assuming failure, as you seem to be doing, is a self-fulfilling prophecy - to stop all progress and accept ocean rise, etc with costs much greater than the costs of credits. Ron]<br></b><blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4"></font></em></strong></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4">Best
wishes,</font></em></strong></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong><em><font size="4">Kevin</font></em></strong></font></div><font face="Arial">
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">Thanks very much.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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<a title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:02
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] New paper on
atmospheric Black Carbon</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dean and
list:<br><br> Tami's is one huge report (232 pages
in a major journal sounds like a world record). I spent quite a few
hours today trying to grasp the topic - and know now I had better give
up. The Black Carbon problem is going to take experts like Tami to
bring its importance into the world of stoves. There may be an
argument that if a stove can prove $16/.tonne CO2, you might have a
chance at proving up to (or even more than?) $27/tonne CO2e, if you are in
the right place on the globe. (These numbers based on numbers given in
terms of W/sqm.) I recommend casual readers getting
quickly to the figures at the extreme end of the report/paper. There
is a lot of useful numercal geographic and sources comparisons
there.<br><br> As Crispin has indicated the intentional
large scale annual burning of large parts of Africa look like a good place
to instead harvest and get useful energy and biiochar instead (through
stoves and more).<br><br> Congratulations on arranging to
have Tami be the ETHOS key-noter. I think she may have been at
the first!<br><br>Ron<br><br>
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<b>From: </b>"Dean Still" <deankstill@gmail.com><br><b>To:
</b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January
16, 2013 2:05:27 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] New paper on atmospheric
Black Carbon<br><br>Dear Friends,
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<div>Tami is the keynote speaker at ETHOS this year and it will be
interesting to hear what she's been learning!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>All Best,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Dean<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Friends<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A new and I would say major major paper on the
atmospheric impact of black carbon particles is available for download. We
know at least two of the authors here on ‘Stoves’. Profs Tami Bond and
Philip Hopke (the aethalometer builder who said he was a minor
contributor) are frequent contributors on the subject of emissions
testing.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The paper is important because it is the first really
detailed examination of the effects of atmospheric heating by Black Carbon
(BC). <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The abstract is at <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract" target="_blank"><span style="COLOR: blue">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/abstract</span></a>
and the paper is at <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf" target="_blank"><span style="COLOR: blue">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50171/pdf</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">It is not behind
a paywall but it is large (40 MB). Times to get your hands dirty with
BC!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Crispin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
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