<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Paul Cecil et al. <div><br></div><div>I too laud your elucidation Cecil. I would only add that there is a certain transfer of ownership from the "studier" to the studied that has to happen in this process. In as much as the technology can be re-evolved through the studied, they become the owner of the process. They assume responsibity for it not a a gift but as their own adapted idea. They become the expert or teacher as equal contributors to the innovation process. Like you, Paul, I have great difficulty with the notion of short circuiting this with mass injections of cheap gods from China, no matter how well "designed" and "tested". </div><div><br></div><div>Dunno: Maybe its just laziness that accompanies old age. I like to see others take it over and move it all forward.<div><br></div><div>Happy Baktun13 all. Small world after all</div><div><br></div><div>Richard Stanley</div><div>La Antigua, Guatemala</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 23, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Cecil and all,<br>
<br>
I have known of you and your fine efforts for many years via
Crispin. In your messaged you provided an excellent example of
anthropological methods. Highly valid. Understand the people
and their needs. Classical Anthropology as an academic discipline
attempts to NOT influence the culture being studied. You are
studying and learning how to improve their lives via appropriate
changes that can be incorporated into their homes, in this case
via stoves.<br>
<br>
There is another side to the anthropology issue. It is the study
of the introduction of an innovation (whether good or bad is not
the issue) and its impact on their lives. The introduction of a
"new-to-them" stove innovation (such as TLUD stoves that are
ignited on the top, etc) that could impact many lives in serious
ways is also a valid topic for the skills and methods of
anthropologists, as well as of marketing specialists who also look
at "acceptance / rejection" of what is new, but with a different
perspective. <br>
<br>
We look forward to your continued efforts.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 1/22/2013 3:49 AM, Cecil Cook wrote:<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Dear
Pual, Kevin, Crispin, Marc, and kindred stovers,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""> I am a
much backslid applied anthropologists who took a 30 year
side trip into
appropriate technology in South Africa at the instigation
of Crispin. Now
a days Crispin is still misleading me by asking me to
assist him and the World
Bank design, test, produce, and market ever more perfect
low cost biomass
stoves in places like Ulaanbataar in Mongolia, Yogyakarta
in Java, and
most recently Battambang in Cambodia. With fiendish
friends like Crispin,
who needs enemies?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""> Kevin's
comic stories about the idiot savant who is very good at
drawing circles around
bullet holes is unfortunately a hilarious metaphor for the
multiple problems
and predicaments that stove scientists, inventors and
enthusiasts typically
create for themselves when they (we?) try to innovate ever
more perfect biomass
burning stoves for imagined and therefore voiceless stove
customers. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""> I
recently discovered there is a significant market in
Central Java for big
portable charcoal stoves so that neighbours can</span><br>
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(see the excellent original message) <br>
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