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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cecil,<br>
In the absence of an official personal response,<br>
<br>
"Unless otherwise stated, numerical ranges given in square
brackets in this report indicate 90% uncertainty intervals (i.e.
there is an<br>
estimated 5% likelihood that the value could be above the range
given in square brackets and 5% likelihood that the value could be
below that<br>
range). Uncertainty intervals are not necessarily symmetric around
the best estimate"<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf">http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf</a><br>
<br>
The pretty global maps, whether they are generated by satellite or
model data seldom include error bars or high and low alternates.
They are a picture worth a thousand words and we can't tell if any
are misspelled. If you would like some more;<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6319.full.pdf">http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6319.full.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/03/2013 3:24 AM, Cecil Cook wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CA+1hLhazsthA-N28kVgS4uS7VNp+A_xO+GX8NsgZhM6qmf1aiA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Dear stove scientists and climatologists,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I accessed this article in its pre-publication form at no
cost from the following URL </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><<span
style="color:rgb(0,153,51);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd">ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd</a>.></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(0,153,51);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
</span></div>
<div>The article is hard going for me, let's say a bit opaque, as
a person who last studied physics in high school. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am once again reminded of the risks of doing 'hard' science
where there are so many unknowns and so many assumptions have to
be made by researchers to construct a model about the
relationship between the black carbon emitted by the wicks of
illuminating lamps and something as gigantic as the average
temperature balance of the planet. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Unlike the cultural and social sciences (I am an
anthropologist), where informants can and eventually do talk
back and rebuke researchers when they stray too far off course
and begin making ridiculous claims about the culturally and
socially constructed worlds that particular informants are
reputed to inhabit, Black Carbon does not have its own
consciousness and voice. Therefore BC cannot censure errant
climatologists when they deviate too much from reality when they
as researchers - who are honestly trying to understand the role
of BC in the climate system - fall victim to their own mad
hatter assumptions about a devilish complex planetary climate
system. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Unfortunately, the climate system does not have the
consciousness, agency and voice in spite of
what Kirkpatrick Sale says about Gaia. The climate scientists
presume to speaks for Gaia and when they succumbs to the
temptation of playing science politics with the world climate
system they run the risk of losing their way in the forest of
his self created forest of symbolic representations of the how
the planet's energy balances are maintained, and how such a
'fragile' system is possibly threatened by the careless actions
of humans who create too much BC to light up the night. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We know what a world of trouble Michael Mann, Lord Stern and
their colleagues have gotten themselves into by
hyper-interpreting their climate data. In the end their
assumptions overpowered their common sense and perhaps their
honesty and they permitted the politics of science to determine
the assumptions they made about man's role in destabilizing and
forcing the climate of the planet toward a hotter equilibrium.
Hotter than what? Hotter than the climate present we have known
for the last hundred years? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I see there are 90% uncertainty ranges for all of the figures
used in this article. I do not feel very confident with such a
big range of variation. How would climatologists like it if I
said that if a particular stove using group is exposed to a
particular improved or advanced cookstove that 50% of the
households in this stove using group will buy that stove within
the next 12 months with +/- 90% uncertainty. If there were 1
million household in this group,that statistic indicates that
500 000 households can be expected to buy the better stove on
offer with a range of variation around predicted 500 000
households of a low of 50 000 households and and high of 950 000
households. Maybe I have misunderstood what 90% uncertainty
bounds mean. Have I? I do not know the usefulness of numbers
that vary from 50 000 households and 950 000 households. That
is not much of a prediction in my part of the scientific
enterprise. What is being measured? Whose uncertainty is at
issue here? Is it a measure of the ambiguity of the researcher
or the methods used for measuring BC and its forcing effects, or
what? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lastly, I would like a climatologist who is well informed
about the role of BC to explain why there is not more BC over
South Africa. Is it possible to differentiate the signals of BC
from illuminating kerosene from the BC signals emitted from the
much greater combustion of kerosene in 'Panda' stoves and space
heaters which have round wicks that are about 30 cm in
circumference and burn kerosene at a rate of 1 liter a a day for
cooking and space heating during the cold months (or up to 30
liters a month at $1.20 a day or $36 a month). The use of these
Panda heaters, although outlawed by the SA Bureau of Standards,
is still prevalent because the stoves are so cheap (under $10)
and they can space heat and cook at the same time. The
collection of firewood has become a class indicator so women in
most townships do not like being seen carrying head loads of
firewood. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would estimate there are 10 to 15 million kerosene stoves
in the townships and villages of SA each of which uses a minimum
of 30 liters of kerosene a month during the winter and perhaps
15 liters a day during the summer months for cooking. Should
not the burning of 30 litres a month x - being conservative let
us say - 7 500 000 kerosene burning stoves in South Africa - or
225 000 000 litres a month of kerosene. Would not the burning
of 225 million liters of kerosene a month in South Africa
produce a significant Black Carbon signal in the atmosphere over
our fair country? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is not my field so I am ignorant enough not to be
embarrassed by my ignorance.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In search of answers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cecil Cook</div>
<div>Sundance Farm</div>
<div>
South Africa</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Dean
Still <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com" target="_blank">deankstill@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Otto,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I'll be in Cambodia.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think that informing users of kerosene lamps how they
can get rid of the soot could be helpful just as making
other options available is a great idea.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dean
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:39
AM, Otto Formo <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:terra-matricula@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">terra-matricula@hotmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
Dear Dean and Crispin,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But you need to buy Kerosene, which costs
close to two US $ per litre in Zambia, and
are still fossil fuel.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We prefer waste biomass as fuel, for free
and available everywhere.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Will you be attending the conference in
Cambodia?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Otto<br>
<br>
<div>
<hr>Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:04
-0800om: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com"
target="_blank">deankstill@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol
31, Issue 1 Topic 2<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery"
target="_blank">http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery</a>
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>Hi Crispin,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree that blaming kerosene instead
of the lamp for making soot misses the
opportunity to fix the problem not by
switching fuels but by just fixing the
lamp. Kelley Grabow and Ed Wilson did
dome preliminary investigation shown in
a video above that seemed to indicate
that fixing the lamp might be pretty
simple.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dean<br>
<br>
<div>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM,
Geoff Thomas <span dir="ltr"><<a
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
Crispin that link required some
un-related password to do with
Microsoft.<br>
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No way it could be viewed.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Geoff.<br>
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> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:07:23
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> From: "Crispin
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> Dear Christina<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks for the pointer.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> For the benefit of readers I
would like to raise one point about
the emissions and the fuel.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ?Getting Good Data Could be
Easy<br>
><br>
> ?If solid fuel cook stoves and
kerosene lanterns are used in the
same households, then getting the
answers we need may be
straightforward and low cost. While
in the field, mothers being surveyed
about their use of solid fuel cook
stoves could also be asked a few
questions about their use of
kerosene for lighting. Some
additional field observations could
be recorded. Existing resources
allocated to studies planned for
cook stoves research could be very
easily leveraged to quickly and
inexpensively begin to build a body
of knowledge about the effects of
kerosene lighting.?<br>
><br>
> The article also says that ?A
recent Environmental Science and
Technology <mailto:<a
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article reports that as much as 10%
of kerosene smoke is pure black
carbon (soot) ? 20 times higher than
previous studies had found.?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The black carbon content of
kerosene smoke is highly variable.
It depends on what lantern is used
and the power setting. The article
speaks as if the emissions are
created by the fuel and that worries
me. This is an old fashioned view.
It is like saying that ?wood is a
smoky fuel?. It depends on the stove
that is burning the wood, and how,
doesn?t it? There is no doubt that
one lantern may create 20 times as
much black carbon particles as
another lantern, but this tells us
nothing about the fuel, it tells us
about the lanterns.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> One alternative to a smoky
kerosene lantern is a clean burning
kerosene lantern.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Crispin<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> To: Discussion of biomass
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> Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article
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><br>
><br>
><br>
> Here is an article about stoves
and kerosene you all might find of
interest:<br>
><br>
><br>
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> Dear Elisha<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> What a great idea - so many
harmonies. In Mozambique old gas
bottles are widely used as charcoal
cooking pots, cut lengthwise from
tip to bottom, after the valve has
been removed.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> They last a really long time.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Here are two types, one with
the cylinder used vertically, one
horizontally.<br>
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[Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves
Dual<br>
> Crises of Poverty and
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> Subject: Re: [Sfpnotices]
Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of
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> and Climate<br>
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013
21:23:44 -0500<br>
> From: Robert Korol<br>
> To: Sfp Notices-list" <<a
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> Carla - thank goodness we are
getting the power houses of our
economic engines like the*World
Bank* on side with respect to green
energy.<br>
> Maybe there is hope for the
world after all!<br>
><br>
> Bob<br>
><br>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37
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> "Carla"<<a
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wrote:<br>
>> Source:<br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/"
target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Green Energy Solves Dual
Crises of Poverty and Climate<br>
>><br>
>> By Stephen Leahy<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25
2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the
only way to bring<br>
>> billions of people out of
energy poverty and prevent a climate
disaster, a<br>
>> new study reveals.<br>
>><br>
>> Conservative institutions
like the World Bank, the
International Energy<br>
>> Agency and accounting giant
Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all
warn humanity<br>
>> is on a path to climate
catastrophe unless fossil fuel
energy is replaced by<br>
>> green energy.<br>
>><br>
>> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable
Energy for All*/ initiative intends
to bring universal<br>
>> access to modern energy,
doubling the share of renewable
energy globally,<br>
>> and doubling the rate of
improvement in energy efficiency by
2030.<br>
>><br>
>> Poverty eradication,
sustainable development and the
transition away from<br>
>> fossil fuel energy go hand
in hand.<br>
>><br>
>> If those targets are met
and similar efforts undertaken
to*reduce<br>
>> deforestation*, then
climate disaster can be avoided,
said Joeri Rogelj of<br>
>> the<<a
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href="http://www.iac.ethz.ch/"
target="_blank">http://www.iac.ethz.ch/</a>>
Institute for Atmospheric and
Climate Science<br>
>> in Zurich who headed the
analysis published Sunday in the
journal<br>
>> <<a
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href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html</a>>
Nature Climate Change.<br>
>><br>
>> "Poverty eradication,
sustainable development and the
transition away from<br>
>> fossil fuel energy go hand
in hand," Rogelj told IPS.<br>
>><br>
>> The U.N.<<a
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target="_blank">http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/</a>>
Sustainable Energy for<br>
>> All (SE4All) initiative is
ambitious, but brings a wide range
of benefits<br>
>> including improvements in
health, less air pollution and makes
the<br>
>> all-important break from
increasing fossil fuel energy use.
The analysis<br>
>> shows the costs of SE4All
is far less than the public
subsidies the fossil<br>
>> fuel industry currently
receives, he said.<br>
>><br>
>> Nearly three billion people
still use fire for cooking and
heating. Of<br>
>> those, some 1.5 billion
people have no access to
electricity. For a billion<br>
>> more, their only access is
to sporadic and unreliable
electricity networks.<br>
>> Indoor air pollution from
burning dung, charcoal, and wood for
heating and<br>
>> cooking leads to nearly two
million premature deaths of women
and children<br>
>> every year, more than all
the deaths from malaria and
tuberculosis.<br>
>><br>
>> Dirty fossil fuel energy is
also a major health hazard in
industrial<br>
>> countries, responsible for
50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths
and 400<br>
>> billion dollars in health
costs a year in the U.S. alone, said
Mark Jacobson<br>
>> an energy expert at
Stanford University in California.<br>
>><br>
>> "In the European Union, it
is 350,000 premature deaths a year,"
Jacobson<br>
>> told IPS.<br>
>><br>
>> SE4All was first announced
in 2009. "Energy interacts with all
of the<br>
>> development challenges we
face," Kandeh Yumkella,
director-general of the<br>
>> United Nations Industrial
Development Organisation<br>
>> <<a
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target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/</a>><br>
>> told IPS at the launch.<br>
>><br>
>> Energy experts calculate
that decentralised, off-grid
technologies like<br>
>> wind, solar, geothermal and
micro-hydro energy generation are
the fastest<br>
>> and most cost effective
solutions. Extending current
electrical grids only<br>
>> makes economic sense to
meet 15-20 percent of the need due
to the high<br>
>> costs.<br>
>><br>
>> SE4All is well under way
now, with more than 50 developing
countries working<br>
>> on national plans to
achieve the three goals of universal
access, increasing<br>
>> renewable energy, and
doubling the rate of improvement in
energy efficiency.<br>
>><br>
>> Since 80 percent of human
carbon dioxide emissions come from
the global<br>
>> energy system, Rogelj and
colleagues at the International
Institute for<br>
>> Applied Systems Analysis in
Laxenberg, Austria wanted to
quantify the impact<br>
>> on the global climate.<br>
>><br>
>> "Achieving the three SE4ALL
objectives could put the world on a
path towards<br>
>> global climate protection,"
they<br>
>> <<a
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target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html</a><br>
>>> conclude in their paper
"The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for
All' initiative<br>
>> is compatible with a
warming limit of 2 ?C".<br>
>><br>
>> "Doing energy right will
promote the Millennium Development
Goals, such as<br>
>> poverty eradication and
social empowerment, and at the same
time kick-start<br>
>> the transition to a
lower-carbon economy," says IIASA
researcher David<br>
>> McCollum, who also worked
on the study.<br>
>><br>
>> "But the U.N.'s objectives
must be complemented by a global
agreement on<br>
>> controlling greenhouse gas
emissions."<br>
>><br>
>> Even if the targets are
achieved, explosive economic growth
coupled with<br>
>> greater energy use will
overwhelm the climate protection
benefits of SE4All.<br>
>> "There is an explicit need
for a global cap on emissions," said
Rogelj .<br>
>><br>
>> Global carbon emissions
were about 52 gigatonnes (billion
metric tonnes) in<br>
>> 2012 and that means fossil
fuel energy use must decline so
emissions are<br>
>> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to
have a reasonable chance of keeping
global warming<br>
>> below two degrees C.<br>
>><br>
>> The shift to green energy
is under way. Every new megawatt
added to the U.S.<br>
>> electricity supply in
January came from renewables, and
more than half of<br>
>> all new electricity
generation in 2012 was also from
renewables, not gas as<br>
>> often believed.<br>
>><br>
>> Iceland has 81 percent
renewable energy. Scotland has a
mandate to achieve<br>
>> 100 percent renewable power
supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws
requiring<br>
>> that the whole energy
supply - electricity,
heating/cooling, and<br>
>> transportation - be met by
renewable resources.<br>
>><br>
>> Stanford's Jackobson, among
others, have proposed detailed plans
on how to<br>
>> meet 100 percent of the
world's energy needs with green
energy. Jacobson<br>
>> believes it could be done
as soon as 2030.<br>
>><br>
>> Costs for the SE4All plan
are relatively modest at between 30
and 40 billion<br>
>> dollars a year, a fraction
of the 523 billion dollars in
subsides for dirty<br>
>> energy in 2011, according
to the International Energy Agency.
By 2030, 300<br>
>> billion dollars a year will
be needed to bring electricity into
every home<br>
>> on the planet and prevent
catastrophic climate change.<br>
>><br>
>> Fossil fuel emission
reductions will have to continue
after 2030 and<br>
>> eventually decline to near
zero in order to stay below two
degrees C, said<br>
>> Rogelj.<br>
>><br>
>> - See more at:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>><br>
>><br>
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> - - - - - - -<br>
> Robert Korol<br>
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> McMaster University<br>
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