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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cecil,<br>
      In the absence of an official personal response,<br>
      <br>
      "Unless otherwise stated, numerical ranges given in square
      brackets in this report indicate 90% uncertainty intervals (i.e.
      there is an<br>
      estimated 5% likelihood that the value could be above the range
      given in square brackets and 5% likelihood that the value could be
      below that<br>
      range). Uncertainty intervals are not necessarily symmetric around
      the best estimate"<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf">http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf</a><br>
      <br>
      The pretty global maps, whether they are generated by satellite or
      model data seldom include error bars or high and low alternates.
      They are a picture worth a thousand words and we can't tell if any
      are misspelled. If you would like some more;<br>
      <br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6319.full.pdf">http://www.pnas.org/content/100/11/6319.full.pdf</a><br>
      <br>
      Alex<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 03/03/2013 3:24 AM, Cecil Cook wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CA+1hLhazsthA-N28kVgS4uS7VNp+A_xO+GX8NsgZhM6qmf1aiA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Dear stove scientists and climatologists,
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I accessed this article in its pre-publication form at no
        cost from the following URL </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><<span
style="color:rgb(0,153,51);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd">ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd</a>.></span></div>
      <div><span
style="color:rgb(0,153,51);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
        </span></div>
      <div>The article is hard going for me, let's say a bit opaque, as
        a person who last studied physics in high school. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I am once again reminded of the risks of doing 'hard' science
        where there are so many unknowns and so many assumptions have to
        be made by researchers to construct a model about the
        relationship between the black carbon emitted by the wicks of
        illuminating lamps and something as gigantic as the average
        temperature balance of the planet.  </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Unlike the cultural and social sciences (I am an
        anthropologist), where informants can and eventually do talk
        back and rebuke researchers when they stray too far off course
        and begin making ridiculous claims about the culturally and
        socially constructed worlds that particular informants are
        reputed to inhabit, Black Carbon does not have its own
        consciousness and voice.  Therefore BC cannot censure errant
        climatologists when they deviate too much from reality when they
        as researchers - who are honestly trying to understand the role
        of BC in the climate system - fall victim to their own mad
        hatter assumptions about a devilish complex planetary climate
        system. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Unfortunately, the climate system does not have the
        consciousness, agency and voice in spite of
        what Kirkpatrick Sale says about Gaia.  The climate scientists
        presume to speaks for Gaia and when they succumbs to the
        temptation of playing science politics with the world climate
        system they run the risk of losing their way in the forest of
        his self created forest of symbolic representations of the how
        the planet's energy balances are maintained, and how such a
        'fragile' system is possibly threatened by the careless actions
        of humans who create too much BC to light up the night. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>We know what a world of trouble Michael Mann, Lord Stern and
        their colleagues have gotten themselves into by
        hyper-interpreting their climate data.  In the end their
        assumptions overpowered their common sense and perhaps their
        honesty and they permitted the politics of science to determine
        the assumptions they made about man's role in destabilizing and
        forcing the climate of the planet toward a hotter equilibrium.
         Hotter than what? Hotter than the climate present we have known
        for the last hundred years? </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I see there are 90% uncertainty ranges for all of the figures
        used in this article.  I do not feel very confident with such a
        big range of variation.  How would climatologists like it if I
        said that if a particular stove using group is exposed to a
        particular improved or advanced cookstove that 50% of the
        households in this stove using group will buy that stove within
        the next 12 months with +/- 90% uncertainty.  If there were 1
        million household in this group,that statistic indicates that
        500 000 households can be expected to buy the better stove on
        offer with a range of variation around predicted 500 000
        households of a low of 50 000 households and and high of 950 000
        households. Maybe I have misunderstood what 90% uncertainty
        bounds mean.  Have I?  I do not know the usefulness of numbers
        that vary from 50 000 households and 950 000 households.  That
        is not much of a prediction in my part of the scientific
        enterprise. What is being measured? Whose uncertainty is at
        issue here?  Is it a measure of the ambiguity of the researcher
        or the methods used for measuring BC and its forcing effects, or
        what? </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Lastly, I would like a climatologist who is well informed
        about the role of BC to explain why there is not more BC over
        South Africa.  Is it possible to differentiate the signals of BC
        from illuminating kerosene from the BC signals emitted from the
        much greater combustion of kerosene in 'Panda' stoves and space
        heaters which have round wicks that are about 30 cm in
        circumference and burn kerosene at a rate of 1 liter a a day for
        cooking and space heating during the cold months (or up to 30
        liters a month at $1.20 a day or $36 a month).  The use of these
        Panda heaters, although outlawed by the SA Bureau of Standards,
        is still prevalent because the stoves are so cheap (under $10)
        and they can space heat and cook at the same time.  The
        collection of firewood has become a class indicator so women in
        most townships do not like being seen carrying head loads of
        firewood.  </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I would estimate there are 10 to 15 million kerosene stoves
        in the townships and villages of SA each of which uses a minimum
        of 30 liters of kerosene a month during the winter and perhaps
        15 liters a day during the summer months for cooking.  Should
        not the burning of 30 litres a month x - being conservative let
        us say - 7 500 000 kerosene burning stoves in South Africa - or
        225 000 000 litres a month of kerosene.  Would not the burning
        of 225 million liters of kerosene a month in South Africa
        produce a significant Black Carbon signal in the atmosphere over
        our fair country?  </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>This is not my field so I am ignorant enough not to be
        embarrassed by my ignorance.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>In search of answers,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Cecil Cook</div>
      <div>Sundance Farm</div>
      <div>
        South Africa</div>
      <div><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Dean
          Still <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com" target="_blank">deankstill@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            Hi Otto,
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Yes, I'll be in Cambodia.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I think that informing users of kerosene lamps how they
              can get rid of the soot could be helpful just as making
              other options available is a great idea.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Best,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Dean
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:39
                    AM, Otto Formo <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:terra-matricula@hotmail.com"
                        target="_blank">terra-matricula@hotmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div>
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          Dear Dean and Crispin,
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>But you need to buy Kerosene, which costs
                            close to two US $ per litre in Zambia, and
                            are still fossil fuel.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>We prefer waste biomass as fuel, for free
                            and available everywhere.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Will you be attending the conference in
                            Cambodia?</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Otto<br>
                            <br>
                            <div>
                              <hr>Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:04
                              -0800om: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">deankstill@gmail.com</a><br>
                              To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                                target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
                              Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol
                              31, Issue 1 Topic 2<br>
                              <br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery"
                                target="_blank">http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery</a>
                              <div>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Hi Crispin,</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I agree that blaming kerosene instead
                                of the lamp for making soot misses the
                                opportunity to fix the problem not by
                                switching fuels but by just fixing the
                                lamp. Kelley Grabow and Ed Wilson did
                                dome preliminary investigation shown in
                                a video above that seemed to indicate
                                that fixing the lamp might be pretty
                                simple.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Best,</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Dean<br>
                                <br>
                                <div>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM,
                                  Geoff Thomas <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:wind@iig.com.au"
                                      target="_blank">wind@iig.com.au</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote style="border-left:1px
                                    #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
                                    Crispin that link required some
                                    un-related password to do with
                                    Microsoft.<br>
                                    > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20%5bStoves%5d%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg"
                                      target="_blank">https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg</a>><br>
                                    No way it could be viewed.<br>
                                    Cheers,<br>
                                    Geoff.<br>
                                    <br>
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                                    >   1. Re: Skoll article on HAP
                                    research (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)<br>
                                    >   2. Re: Gas Bottle TLUDs
                                    (Elisha Moore-Delate)<br>
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                                    and STEM education~ (Erin Rasmussen)<br>
                                    >   4. Re: Skoll article on HAP
                                    research (nari phaltan)<br>
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                                    article on HAP research<br>
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                                    > Dear Christina<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Thanks for the pointer.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > For the benefit of readers I
                                    would like to raise one point about
                                    the emissions and the fuel.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > ?Getting Good Data Could be
                                    Easy<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > ?If solid fuel cook stoves and
                                    kerosene lanterns are used in the
                                    same households, then getting the
                                    answers we need may be
                                    straightforward and low cost. While
                                    in the field, mothers being surveyed
                                    about their use of solid fuel cook
                                    stoves could also be asked a few
                                    questions about their use of
                                    kerosene for lighting. Some
                                    additional field observations could
                                    be recorded. Existing resources
                                    allocated to studies planned for
                                    cook stoves research could be very
                                    easily leveraged to quickly and
                                    inexpensively begin to build a body
                                    of knowledge about the effects of
                                    kerosene lighting.?<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > The article also says that ?A
                                    recent Environmental Science and
                                    Technology <mailto:<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:http" target="_blank">http</a>://<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h"
                                      target="_blank">pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h</a>>
                                     article reports that as much as 10%
                                    of kerosene smoke is pure black
                                    carbon (soot) ? 20 times higher than
                                    previous studies had found.?<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > The black carbon content of
                                    kerosene smoke is highly variable.
                                    It depends on what lantern is used
                                    and the power setting. The article
                                    speaks as if the emissions are
                                    created by the fuel and that worries
                                    me. This is an old fashioned view.
                                    It is like saying that ?wood is a
                                    smoky fuel?. It depends on the stove
                                    that is burning the wood, and how,
                                    doesn?t it? There is no doubt that
                                    one lantern may create 20 times as
                                    much black carbon particles as
                                    another lantern, but this tells us
                                    nothing about the fuel, it tells us
                                    about the lanterns.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > One alternative to a smoky
                                    kerosene lantern is a clean burning
                                    kerosene lantern.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Regards<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Crispin<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > From: Stoves [mailto:<a
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                                    On Behalf Of Christina Espinosa<br>
                                    > Sent: Thursday, February 28,
                                    2013 12:50 PM<br>
                                    > To: Discussion of biomass
                                    cooking stoves<br>
                                    > Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article
                                    on HAP research<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Here is an article about stoves
                                    and kerosene you all might find of
                                    interest:<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/"
                                      target="_blank">https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/</a><br>
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                                    > Message: 2<br>
                                    > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:26:20
                                    -0500<br>
                                    > From: "Elisha Moore-Delate"
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                                    > To: "Discussion of biomass
                                    cooking stoves"<br>
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                                    > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas
                                    Bottle TLUDs<br>
                                    > Message-ID:<br>
                                    >       <<a
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                                    > Thanks Crispin. Appreciate the
                                    lovely photos and info.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    >
                                    ________________________________<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > From: Stoves on behalf of
                                    Crispin Pemberton-Pigott<br>
                                    > Sent: Tue 2/26/2013 11:26 PM<br>
                                    > To: 'Discussion of biomass
                                    cooking stoves'<br>
                                    > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas
                                    Bottle TLUDs<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Dear Elisha<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > What a great idea - so many
                                    harmonies.  In Mozambique old gas
                                    bottles are widely used as charcoal
                                    cooking pots, cut lengthwise from
                                    tip to bottom, after the valve has
                                    been removed.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > They last a really long time.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Here are two types, one with
                                    the cylinder used vertically, one
                                    horizontally.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
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                                    ><br>
                                    > Baseline charcoal stoves in
                                    Maputo, Mozambique<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Regards<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Crispin<br>
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                                    > Message: 3<br>
                                    > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:25:04
                                    -0800<br>
                                    > From: "Erin Rasmussen" <<a
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                                    > To: <<a
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                                           "'JJ Claire'" <<a
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                                    > Cc: 'Discussion of biomass'
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                                    > Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar]
                                    Re:  ~Stoves and STEM education~<br>
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                                    > A better source of information
                                    about the Stoves list, is our
                                     cooking stoves web site:<br>
                                    ><br>
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                                      target="_blank">http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org</a>
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                                    > Let me know if you have any
                                    questions,<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Erin<br>
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                                    > From: <a
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                                      target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>
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                                      href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
                                      target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>]
                                    On Behalf Of <a
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                                      href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
                                      target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a><br>
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, February 27,
                                    2013 1:36 AM<br>
                                    > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>;
                                    JJ Claire; Erin Rasmussen<br>
                                    > Cc: Discussion of biomass<br>
                                    > Subject: Re: [biochar] Re:
                                    [Stoves] ~Stoves and STEM education~<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    >     2.   Anyone wanting to
                                    learn more about the stove list
                                    dialog (a sister list, also managed
                                    by Erin) should go to<br>
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                                    > Message: 4<br>
                                    > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:50:00
                                    +0530<br>
                                    > From: nari phaltan <<a
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                                    > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll
                                    article on HAP research<br>
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                                    > This might be of interest to
                                    the stovers that kerosene can be
                                    made into a<br>
                                    > very clean burning fuel just
                                    like LPG.<br>
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                                    ><br>
                                    > Cheers.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Anil<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:19
                                    PM, Christina Espinosa <<br>
                                    > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:c_espinosa1@u.pacific.edu"
                                      target="_blank">c_espinosa1@u.pacific.edu</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    >> Here is an article about
                                    stoves and kerosene you all might
                                    find of<br>
                                    >> interest:<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/"
                                      target="_blank">https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/</a><br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >>
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                                    >> for more Biomass Cooking
                                    Stoves,  News and Information see
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                                    > Message: 5<br>
                                    > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 00:38:11
                                    -0500<br>
                                    > From: Lloyd Helferty <<a
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                                    > To: Biochar-Policy <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com"
                                      target="_blank">biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com</a>>,
                                     Discussion of<br>
                                    >       biomass cooking stoves
                                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                    > Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: Re:
                                    [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves
                                    Dual<br>
                                    >       Crises of Poverty and
                                    Climate<br>
                                    > Message-ID:
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                                    > FYI<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    >   Lloyd Helferty, Engineering
                                    Technologist<br>
                                    >   Principal, Biochar Consulting
                                    (Canada)<br>
                                    >   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.biochar-consulting.ca"
                                      target="_blank">www.biochar-consulting.ca</a><br>
                                    >   48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill,
                                    ON, Canada<br>
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                                    >   CELL: <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">647-886-8754</a><br>
                                    >      Skype: lloyd.helferty<br>
                                    >   Steering Committee
                                    coordinator<br>
                                    >   Canadian Biochar Initiative
                                    (CBI)<br>
                                    >   President, Co-founder &
                                    CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario<br>
                                    >   National Office, Canadian
                                    Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)<br>
                                    >   Partner of Toronto Urban Ag <a
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                                      href="http://Summitwww.urbanagsummit.org"
                                      target="_blank">Summitwww.urbanagsummit.org</a><br>
                                    >   Manager, Biochar Offsets
                                    Group:<br>
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                                    > Subject:      Re: [Sfpnotices]
                                    Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of
                                    Poverty<br>
                                    > and Climate<br>
                                    > Date:         Tue, 26 Feb 2013
                                    21:23:44 -0500<br>
                                    > From:         Robert Korol<br>
                                    > To:   Sfp Notices-list" <<a
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                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Carla - thank goodness we are
                                    getting the power houses of our
                                    economic engines like the*World
                                    Bank*  on side with respect to green
                                    energy.<br>
                                    >  Maybe there is hope for the
                                    world after all!<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Bob<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37
                                    -0500<br>
                                    >  "Carla"<<a
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                                      href="mailto:carla.wong@utoronto.ca"
                                      target="_blank">carla.wong@utoronto.ca</a>>
                                     wrote:<br>
                                    >> Source:<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/</a><br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Green Energy Solves Dual
                                    Crises of Poverty and Climate<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> By Stephen Leahy<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25
                                    2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the
                                    only way to bring<br>
                                    >> billions of people out of
                                    energy poverty and prevent a climate
                                    disaster, a<br>
                                    >> new study reveals.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Conservative institutions
                                    like the World Bank, the
                                    International Energy<br>
                                    >> Agency and accounting giant
                                    Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all
                                    warn humanity<br>
                                    >> is on a path to climate
                                    catastrophe unless fossil fuel
                                    energy is replaced by<br>
                                    >> green energy.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable
                                    Energy for All*/  initiative intends
                                    to bring universal<br>
                                    >> access to modern energy,
                                    doubling the share of renewable
                                    energy globally,<br>
                                    >> and doubling the rate of
                                    improvement in energy efficiency by
                                    2030.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Poverty eradication,
                                    sustainable development and the
                                    transition away from<br>
                                    >> fossil fuel energy go hand
                                    in hand.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> If those targets are met
                                    and similar efforts undertaken
                                    to*reduce<br>
                                    >> deforestation*, then
                                    climate disaster can be avoided,
                                    said Joeri Rogelj of<br>
                                    >> the<<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.iac.ethz.ch/"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.iac.ethz.ch/</a>>
                                      Institute for Atmospheric and
                                    Climate Science<br>
                                    >> in Zurich  who headed the
                                    analysis published Sunday in the
                                    journal<br>
                                    >> <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html</a>>
                                     Nature Climate Change.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> "Poverty eradication,
                                    sustainable development and the
                                    transition away from<br>
                                    >> fossil fuel energy go hand
                                    in hand," Rogelj told IPS.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> The U.N.<<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/</a>>
                                     Sustainable Energy for<br>
                                    >> All (SE4All)  initiative is
                                    ambitious, but brings a wide range
                                    of benefits<br>
                                    >> including improvements in
                                    health, less air pollution and makes
                                    the<br>
                                    >> all-important break from
                                    increasing fossil fuel energy use.
                                    The analysis<br>
                                    >> shows the costs of SE4All
                                    is far less than the public
                                    subsidies the fossil<br>
                                    >> fuel industry currently
                                    receives, he said.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Nearly three billion people
                                    still use fire for cooking and
                                    heating. Of<br>
                                    >> those, some 1.5 billion
                                    people have no access to
                                    electricity. For a billion<br>
                                    >> more, their only access is
                                    to sporadic and unreliable
                                    electricity networks.<br>
                                    >> Indoor air pollution from
                                    burning dung, charcoal, and wood for
                                    heating and<br>
                                    >> cooking leads to nearly two
                                    million premature deaths of women
                                    and children<br>
                                    >> every year, more than all
                                    the deaths from malaria and
                                    tuberculosis.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Dirty fossil fuel energy is
                                    also a major health hazard in
                                    industrial<br>
                                    >> countries, responsible for
                                    50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths
                                    and 400<br>
                                    >> billion dollars in health
                                    costs a year in the U.S. alone, said
                                    Mark Jacobson<br>
                                    >> an energy expert at
                                    Stanford University in California.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> "In the European Union, it
                                    is 350,000 premature deaths a year,"
                                    Jacobson<br>
                                    >> told IPS.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> SE4All was first announced
                                    in 2009. "Energy interacts with all
                                    of the<br>
                                    >> development challenges we
                                    face," Kandeh Yumkella,
                                    director-general of the<br>
                                    >> United Nations Industrial
                                    Development Organisation<br>
                                    >> <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/</a>><br>
                                    >> told IPS at the launch.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Energy experts calculate
                                    that decentralised, off-grid
                                    technologies like<br>
                                    >> wind, solar, geothermal and
                                    micro-hydro energy generation are
                                    the fastest<br>
                                    >> and most cost effective
                                    solutions. Extending current
                                    electrical grids only<br>
                                    >> makes economic sense to
                                    meet 15-20 percent of the need due
                                    to the high<br>
                                    >> costs.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> SE4All is well under way
                                    now, with more than 50 developing
                                    countries working<br>
                                    >> on national plans to
                                    achieve the three goals of universal
                                    access, increasing<br>
                                    >> renewable energy, and
                                    doubling the rate of improvement in
                                    energy efficiency.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Since 80 percent of human
                                    carbon dioxide emissions come from
                                    the global<br>
                                    >> energy system, Rogelj and
                                    colleagues at the International
                                    Institute for<br>
                                    >> Applied Systems Analysis in
                                    Laxenberg, Austria wanted to
                                    quantify the impact<br>
                                    >> on the global climate.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> "Achieving the three SE4ALL
                                    objectives could put the world on a
                                    path towards<br>
                                    >> global climate protection,"
                                    they<br>
                                    >> <<a
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href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html</a><br>
                                    >>> conclude in their paper
                                    "The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for
                                    All' initiative<br>
                                    >> is compatible with a
                                    warming limit of 2 ?C".<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> "Doing energy right will
                                    promote the Millennium Development
                                    Goals, such as<br>
                                    >> poverty eradication and
                                    social empowerment, and at the same
                                    time kick-start<br>
                                    >> the transition to a
                                    lower-carbon economy," says IIASA
                                    researcher David<br>
                                    >> McCollum, who also worked
                                    on the study.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> "But the U.N.'s objectives
                                    must be complemented by a global
                                    agreement on<br>
                                    >> controlling greenhouse gas
                                    emissions."<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Even if the targets are
                                    achieved, explosive economic growth
                                    coupled with<br>
                                    >> greater energy use will
                                    overwhelm the climate protection
                                    benefits of SE4All.<br>
                                    >> "There is an explicit need
                                    for a global cap on emissions," said
                                    Rogelj .<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Global carbon emissions
                                    were about 52 gigatonnes (billion
                                    metric tonnes) in<br>
                                    >> 2012 and that means fossil
                                    fuel energy use must decline so
                                    emissions are<br>
                                    >> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to
                                    have a reasonable chance of keeping
                                    global warming<br>
                                    >> below two degrees C.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> The shift to green energy
                                    is under way. Every new megawatt
                                    added to the U.S.<br>
                                    >> electricity supply in
                                    January came from renewables, and
                                    more than half of<br>
                                    >> all new electricity
                                    generation in 2012 was also from
                                    renewables, not gas as<br>
                                    >> often believed.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Iceland has 81 percent
                                    renewable energy. Scotland has a
                                    mandate to achieve<br>
                                    >> 100 percent renewable power
                                    supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws
                                    requiring<br>
                                    >> that the whole energy
                                    supply - electricity,
                                    heating/cooling, and<br>
                                    >> transportation - be met by
                                    renewable resources.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Stanford's Jackobson, among
                                    others, have proposed detailed plans
                                    on how to<br>
                                    >> meet 100 percent of the
                                    world's energy needs with green
                                    energy. Jacobson<br>
                                    >> believes it could be done
                                    as soon as 2030.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Costs for the SE4All plan
                                    are relatively modest at between 30
                                    and 40 billion<br>
                                    >> dollars a year, a fraction
                                    of the 523 billion dollars in
                                    subsides for dirty<br>
                                    >> energy in 2011, according
                                    to the International Energy Agency.
                                    By 2030, 300<br>
                                    >> billion dollars a year will
                                    be needed to bring electricity into
                                    every home<br>
                                    >> on the planet and prevent
                                    catastrophic climate change.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Fossil fuel emission
                                    reductions will have to continue
                                    after 2030 and<br>
                                    >> eventually decline to near
                                    zero in order to stay below two
                                    degrees C, said<br>
                                    >> Rogelj.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> - See more at:<br>
                                    >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf"
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                                    >><br>
                                    >><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > - - - - - - -<br>
                                    > Robert Korol<br>
                                    > Professor emeritus, Civil
                                    Engineering<br>
                                    > McMaster University<br>
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