Maybe someone already asked/answered this, but does "90%" uncertainty as you write actually mean "a 90% confidence interval"? That would make more sense. A lot of research is to a 95% or 90% confidence interval.<div>
<br></div><div>JK</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Anand Karve <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com" target="_blank">adkarve@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Prof. Cook,<br>
I am an agricultural scientist. When we conduct field trials or<br>
collect field data for drawing conclusions, we work at an error<br>
probability level of 5%. Most of the variables in an agricultural<br>
situation are beyond the control of the experimenter, and yet an<br>
uncertainty level of only 5% is acceptable. Drawing conclusions<br>
having uncertainty level of 90% is rediculous. I was curious about the<br>
veracity of 90% uncertainty mentioned by you. But when I clicked on<br>
the source sited by you, I found that I could not access it.<br>
Yours<br>
A.D.Karve<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cecil Cook <<a href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com">cec1863@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear stove scientists and climatologists,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I accessed this article in its pre-publication form at no cost from the<br>
> following URL<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <<a href="http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd" target="_blank">ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/.../lam_est_2012.pd</a>.><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The article is hard going for me, let's say a bit opaque, as a person who<br>
> last studied physics in high school.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I am once again reminded of the risks of doing 'hard' science where there<br>
> are so many unknowns and so many assumptions have to be made by researchers<br>
> to construct a model about the relationship between the black carbon emitted<br>
> by the wicks of illuminating lamps and something as gigantic as the average<br>
> temperature balance of the planet.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Unlike the cultural and social sciences (I am an anthropologist), where<br>
> informants can and eventually do talk back and rebuke researchers when they<br>
> stray too far off course and begin making ridiculous claims about the<br>
> culturally and socially constructed worlds that particular informants are<br>
> reputed to inhabit, Black Carbon does not have its own consciousness and<br>
> voice. Therefore BC cannot censure errant climatologists when they deviate<br>
> too much from reality in their efforts - as researchers – to understand the<br>
> role of BC in the climate system .... so it is indeed possible for honest<br>
> researchers to fall victim to their own mad hatter assumptions about a<br>
> devilish complex planetary climate system.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, the climate system does not have consciousness, agency and<br>
> voice in spite of what Kirkpatrick Sale says about Gaia. The climate<br>
> scientists presume to speaks for Gaia. When they succumbs to the temptation<br>
> of playing science politics with the world climate system they run the risk<br>
> of losing their way in the forest of their self created symbolic<br>
> representations of the how the planet's energy balances are maintained, and<br>
> how such a 'fragile' system is possibly threatened by the careless actions<br>
> of humans who create too much BC to light up the night.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> We know what a world of trouble Michael Mann, Lord Stern and their<br>
> colleagues have gotten themselves into by hyper-interpreting their climate<br>
> data. In the end their assumptions overpowered their common sense and their<br>
> data. They permitted climate politics to contaminate climate science.<br>
> Gratuitous and still unproved assumptions were inserted into climate science<br>
> about the causal mechanisms by which us ‘anthropods’ are destabilizing and<br>
> forcing the climate of the planet toward a hotter equilibrium. Hotter than<br>
> what? Hotter than the climate present we have known for the last hundred<br>
> years?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I see there are 90% uncertainty ranges for all of the figures used in this<br>
> article. I do not feel very confident with such a big range of variation.<br>
> How would climatologists like it if I predicted that +/- 50% of a particular<br>
> stove using group – after demonstration of the superior performance of an<br>
> improved or advanced cookstove - can be expected to purchase such a stove<br>
> within the next 12 months with +/- 90% uncertainty. If there were 1 million<br>
> households in this group, that statistic indicates that 500 000 households<br>
> can be expected to buy the better stove on offer with a range of variation<br>
> around this figure of a (+) high of 950 000 households and a low (-) of a<br>
> low of 50 000 households.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Maybe I have misunderstood what 90% uncertainty bounds mean. Have I? I do<br>
> not know the usefulness of numbers that vary from 50 000 households and 950<br>
> 000 households. That is not much of a prediction in my part of the<br>
> scientific enterprise. What is being measured? Whose uncertainty is at issue<br>
> here? Is it a measure of the ambiguity of the researcher or the methods<br>
> used for measuring BC and its forcing effects, or what?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Lastly, I would like a climatologist who is well informed about the role of<br>
> BC to explain why there is not more BC over South Africa. Is it possible to<br>
> differentiate the signals of BC from illuminating kerosene from the BC<br>
> signals emitted from the much greater combustion of kerosene in 'Panda'<br>
> stoves and space heaters which have round wicks that are about 30 cm in<br>
> circumference and burn kerosene at a rate of 1 liter a day for cooking and<br>
> space heating during the cold months (or up to 30 liters a month at $1.20 a<br>
> day or $36 a month). The use of these Panda heaters, although outlawed by<br>
> the SA Bureau of Standards, is still prevalent because the stoves are so<br>
> cheap (under $10) and they can space heat and cook at the same time. The<br>
> collection of firewood has become a class indicator so women in most<br>
> townships do not like being seen carrying head loads of firewood.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I would estimate there are 10 to 15 million kerosene stoves in the townships<br>
> and villages of SA each of which uses a minimum of 30 liters of kerosene a<br>
> month during the winter and perhaps 15 liters a month during the summer<br>
> months for cooking. Should not the burning of 30 litres a month X - let’s<br>
> be conservative here and say - 7 500 000 kerosene burning stoves in South<br>
> Africa (=) or some 225 000 000 litres a month of kerosene a month in South<br>
> Africa produce a significant Black Carbon signal in the atmosphere over our<br>
> fair country? I don’t see it on the map of BC forcing? Should it not be<br>
> there or are other household uses of kerosene being excluded from the map?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> This is not my field so I am ignorant enough not to be embarrassed by my<br>
> ignorance.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> In search of answers,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Cecil Cook<br>
><br>
> Sundance Farm<br>
><br>
> South Africa<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Dean Still <<a href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">deankstill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Otto,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes, I'll be in Cambodia.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think that informing users of kerosene lamps how they can get rid of<br>
>>> the soot could be helpful just as making other options available is a great<br>
>>> idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dean<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Otto Formo <<a href="mailto:terra-matricula@hotmail.com">terra-matricula@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dear Dean and Crispin,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But you need to buy Kerosene, which costs close to two US $ per litre in<br>
>>>> Zambia, and are still fossil fuel.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We prefer waste biomass as fuel, for free and available everywhere.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Will you be attending the conference in Cambodia?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Otto<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ________________________________<br>
>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:37:04 -0800om: <a href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">deankstill@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Topic 2<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery" target="_blank">http://www.aprovecho.org/lab/pubs/video-gallery</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Crispin,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I agree that blaming kerosene instead of the lamp for making soot misses<br>
>>>> the opportunity to fix the problem not by switching fuels but by just fixing<br>
>>>> the lamp. Kelley Grabow and Ed Wilson did dome preliminary investigation<br>
>>>> shown in a video above that seemed to indicate that fixing the lamp might be<br>
>>>> pretty simple.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dean<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Geoff Thomas <<a href="mailto:wind@iig.com.au">wind@iig.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Crispin that link required some un-related password to do with<br>
>>>> Microsoft.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <<a href="https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg" target="_blank">https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg</a>><br>
>>>> No way it could be viewed.<br>
>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>> Geoff.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 02/03/2013, at 6:00 AM, <a href="mailto:stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
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>>>> > 1. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)<br>
>>>> > 2. Re: Gas Bottle TLUDs (Elisha Moore-Delate)<br>
>>>> > 3. Re: [biochar] Re: ~Stoves and STEM education~ (Erin Rasmussen)<br>
>>>> > 4. Re: Skoll article on HAP research (nari phaltan)<br>
>>>> > 5. Fwd: Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of<br>
>>>> > Poverty and Climate (Lloyd Helferty)<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Message: 1<br>
>>>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:07:23 -0500<br>
>>>> > From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> > To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"<br>
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research<br>
>>>> > Message-ID: <00ce01ce15ef$3a1b7c90$ae5275b0$@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Dear Christina<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Thanks for the pointer.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > For the benefit of readers I would like to raise one point about the<br>
>>>> > emissions and the fuel.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > ?Getting Good Data Could be Easy<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > ?If solid fuel cook stoves and kerosene lanterns are used in the same<br>
>>>> > households, then getting the answers we need may be straightforward and low<br>
>>>> > cost. While in the field, mothers being surveyed about their use of solid<br>
>>>> > fuel cook stoves could also be asked a few questions about their use of<br>
>>>> > kerosene for lighting. Some additional field observations could be recorded.<br>
>>>> > Existing resources allocated to studies planned for cook stoves research<br>
>>>> > could be very easily leveraged to quickly and inexpensively begin to build a<br>
>>>> > body of knowledge about the effects of kerosene lighting.?<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > The article also says that ?A recent Environmental Science and<br>
>>>> > Technology <mailto:<a href="mailto:http">http</a>://<a href="http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h" target="_blank">pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es302697h</a>> article<br>
>>>> > reports that as much as 10% of kerosene smoke is pure black carbon (soot) ?<br>
>>>> > 20 times higher than previous studies had found.?<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > The black carbon content of kerosene smoke is highly variable. It<br>
>>>> > depends on what lantern is used and the power setting. The article speaks as<br>
>>>> > if the emissions are created by the fuel and that worries me. This is an old<br>
>>>> > fashioned view. It is like saying that ?wood is a smoky fuel?. It depends on<br>
>>>> > the stove that is burning the wood, and how, doesn?t it? There is no doubt<br>
>>>> > that one lantern may create 20 times as much black carbon particles as<br>
>>>> > another lantern, but this tells us nothing about the fuel, it tells us about<br>
>>>> > the lanterns.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > One alternative to a smoky kerosene lantern is a clean burning<br>
>>>> > kerosene lantern.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Regards<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Crispin<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > From: Stoves [mailto:<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On<br>
>>>> > Behalf Of Christina Espinosa<br>
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:50 PM<br>
>>>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
>>>> > Subject: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of<br>
>>>> > interest:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <a href="https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/" target="_blank">https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/</a><br>
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>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Message: 2<br>
>>>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:26:20 -0500<br>
>>>> > From: "Elisha Moore-Delate" <<a href="mailto:emdelate@chemonics.com">emdelate@chemonics.com</a>><br>
>>>> > To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"<br>
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs<br>
>>>> > Message-ID:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:CFC22A81DD304945BC918EA8680159BD3F27B8@CHQ-EMAIL-BE3.chemonics.net">CFC22A81DD304945BC918EA8680159BD3F27B8@CHQ-EMAIL-BE3.chemonics.net</a>><br>
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>>>> > Thanks Crispin. Appreciate the lovely photos and info.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > ________________________________<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > From: Stoves on behalf of Crispin Pemberton-Pigott<br>
>>>> > Sent: Tue 2/26/2013 11:26 PM<br>
>>>> > To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'<br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Gas Bottle TLUDs<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Dear Elisha<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > What a great idea - so many harmonies. In Mozambique old gas bottles<br>
>>>> > are widely used as charcoal cooking pots, cut lengthwise from tip to bottom,<br>
>>>> > after the valve has been removed.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > They last a really long time.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Here are two types, one with the cylinder used vertically, one<br>
>>>> > horizontally.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <<a href="https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg" target="_blank">https://mail.chemonics.net/exchange/emdelate/Drafts/RE:%20[Stoves]%20Gas%20Bottle%20TLUDs.EML/1_multipart/image001.jpg</a>><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Baseline charcoal stoves in Maputo, Mozambique<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Regards<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Crispin<br>
>>>> ><br>
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>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Message: 3<br>
>>>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:25:04 -0800<br>
>>>> > From: "Erin Rasmussen" <<a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com">erin@trmiles.com</a>><br>
>>>> > To: <<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>>, "'JJ Claire'"<br>
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:pugoclaire@yahoo.com">pugoclaire@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>>>> > Cc: 'Discussion of biomass' <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Re: ~Stoves and STEM education~<br>
>>>> > Message-ID: <010201ce15fa$13a7e2a0$3af7a7e0$@com><br>
>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > A better source of information about the Stoves list, is our cooking<br>
>>>> > stoves web site:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
>>>> > <<a href="http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a>><br>
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>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
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>>>> ><br>
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>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Erin<br>
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>>>> ><br>
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>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
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>>>> > From: <a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>] On<br>
>>>> > Behalf Of <a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a><br>
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:36 AM<br>
>>>> > To: <a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>; JJ Claire; Erin Rasmussen<br>
>>>> > Cc: Discussion of biomass<br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [biochar] Re: [Stoves] ~Stoves and STEM education~<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > 2. Anyone wanting to learn more about the stove list dialog (a<br>
>>>> > sister list, also managed by Erin) should go to<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org/maillist.html</a><br>
>>>> ><br>
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>>>> > Message: 4<br>
>>>> > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 07:50:00 +0530<br>
>>>> > From: nari phaltan <<a href="mailto:nariphaltan@gmail.com">nariphaltan@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
>>>> > <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Skoll article on HAP research<br>
>>>> > Message-ID:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > <CAGeG2tBO24Ht5_RQmbLewRO3k+Y6O5=<a href="mailto:wrGtVWs62QOugHYA3xw@mail.gmail.com">wrGtVWs62QOugHYA3xw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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>>>> > This might be of interest to the stovers that kerosene can be made<br>
>>>> > into a<br>
>>>> > very clean burning fuel just like LPG.<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cseindia.org/userfiles/Lantern%20that%20cooks.pdf</a><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Cheers.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Anil<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Christina Espinosa <<br>
>>>> > <a href="mailto:c_espinosa1@u.pacific.edu">c_espinosa1@u.pacific.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >> Here is an article about stoves and kerosene you all might find of<br>
>>>> >> interest:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> <a href="https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/" target="_blank">https://skollworldforum.org/2013/02/27/where-theres-smoke-theres-fire-a-call-to-action-for-better-indoor-air-pollution-research/</a><br>
>>>> >><br>
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>>>> > Message: 5<br>
>>>> > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 00:38:11 -0500<br>
>>>> > From: Lloyd Helferty <<a href="mailto:lhelferty@sympatico.ca">lhelferty@sympatico.ca</a>><br>
>>>> > To: Biochar-Policy <<a href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com</a>>, Discussion of<br>
>>>> > biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
>>>> > Subject: [Stoves] Fwd: Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual<br>
>>>> > Crises of Poverty and Climate<br>
>>>> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8737D43D68225A4170FCCEC0FF0@phx.gbl><br>
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>>>> ><br>
>>>> > FYI<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist<br>
>>>> > Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.biochar-consulting.ca" target="_blank">www.biochar-consulting.ca</a><br>
>>>> > 48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada<br>
>>>> > <a href="tel:905-707-8754" value="+19057078754">905-707-8754</a><br>
>>>> > CELL: <a href="tel:647-886-8754" value="+16478868754">647-886-8754</a><br>
>>>> > Skype: lloyd.helferty<br>
>>>> > Steering Committee coordinator<br>
>>>> > Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)<br>
>>>> > President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario<br>
>>>> > National Office, Canadian Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)<br>
>>>> > Partner of Toronto Urban Ag <a href="http://Summitwww.urbanagsummit.org" target="_blank">Summitwww.urbanagsummit.org</a><br>
>>>> > Manager, Biochar Offsets Group:<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475</a><br>
>>>> > Advisory Committee Member, IBI<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717</a><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675</a><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario" target="_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario</a><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/</a><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.biocharontario.ca" target="_blank">http://www.biocharontario.ca</a><br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.biochar.ca" target="_blank">www.biochar.ca</a><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > "Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell 'em, 'Certainly I<br>
>>>> > can!' Then get busy and find out how to do it."<br>
>>>> > - Theodore Roosevelt<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > -------- Original Message --------<br>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Sfpnotices] Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of<br>
>>>> > Poverty<br>
>>>> > and Climate<br>
>>>> > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:23:44 -0500<br>
>>>> > From: Robert Korol<br>
>>>> > To: Sfp Notices-list" <<a href="mailto:sfpnotices@physics.utoronto.ca">sfpnotices@physics.utoronto.ca</a>><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Carla - thank goodness we are getting the power houses of our economic<br>
>>>> > engines like the*World Bank* on side with respect to green energy.<br>
>>>> > Maybe there is hope for the world after all!<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Bob<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:42:37 -0500<br>
>>>> > "Carla"<<a href="mailto:carla.wong@utoronto.ca">carla.wong@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >> Source:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> <a href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/" target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/</a><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Green Energy Solves Dual Crises of Poverty and Climate<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> By Stephen Leahy<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> UXBRIDGE, Canada, Feb 25 2013 (IPS) - Green energy is the only way to<br>
>>>> >> bring<br>
>>>> >> billions of people out of energy poverty and prevent a climate<br>
>>>> >> disaster, a<br>
>>>> >> new study reveals.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Conservative institutions like the World Bank, the International<br>
>>>> >> Energy<br>
>>>> >> Agency and accounting giant Price Waterhouse Coopers (PwC) all warn<br>
>>>> >> humanity<br>
>>>> >> is on a path to climate catastrophe unless fossil fuel energy is<br>
>>>> >> replaced by<br>
>>>> >> green energy.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> The U.N.'s/*Sustainable Energy for All*/ initiative intends to bring<br>
>>>> >> universal<br>
>>>> >> access to modern energy, doubling the share of renewable energy<br>
>>>> >> globally,<br>
>>>> >> and doubling the rate of improvement in energy efficiency by 2030.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away<br>
>>>> >> from<br>
>>>> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> If those targets are met and similar efforts undertaken to*reduce<br>
>>>> >> deforestation*, then climate disaster can be avoided, said Joeri<br>
>>>> >> Rogelj of<br>
>>>> >> the<<a href="http://www.iac.ethz.ch/" target="_blank">http://www.iac.ethz.ch/</a>> Institute for Atmospheric and Climate<br>
>>>> >> Science<br>
>>>> >> in Zurich who headed the analysis published Sunday in the journal<br>
>>>> >> <<a href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/index.html</a>> Nature Climate Change.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> "Poverty eradication, sustainable development and the transition away<br>
>>>> >> from<br>
>>>> >> fossil fuel energy go hand in hand," Rogelj told IPS.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> The U.N.<<a href="http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/" target="_blank">http://www.sustainableenergyforall.org/</a>> Sustainable Energy<br>
>>>> >> for<br>
>>>> >> All (SE4All) initiative is ambitious, but brings a wide range of<br>
>>>> >> benefits<br>
>>>> >> including improvements in health, less air pollution and makes the<br>
>>>> >> all-important break from increasing fossil fuel energy use. The<br>
>>>> >> analysis<br>
>>>> >> shows the costs of SE4All is far less than the public subsidies the<br>
>>>> >> fossil<br>
>>>> >> fuel industry currently receives, he said.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Nearly three billion people still use fire for cooking and heating.<br>
>>>> >> Of<br>
>>>> >> those, some 1.5 billion people have no access to electricity. For a<br>
>>>> >> billion<br>
>>>> >> more, their only access is to sporadic and unreliable electricity<br>
>>>> >> networks.<br>
>>>> >> Indoor air pollution from burning dung, charcoal, and wood for<br>
>>>> >> heating and<br>
>>>> >> cooking leads to nearly two million premature deaths of women and<br>
>>>> >> children<br>
>>>> >> every year, more than all the deaths from malaria and tuberculosis.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Dirty fossil fuel energy is also a major health hazard in industrial<br>
>>>> >> countries, responsible for 50,000 to 100,000 premature deaths and 400<br>
>>>> >> billion dollars in health costs a year in the U.S. alone, said Mark<br>
>>>> >> Jacobson<br>
>>>> >> an energy expert at Stanford University in California.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> "In the European Union, it is 350,000 premature deaths a year,"<br>
>>>> >> Jacobson<br>
>>>> >> told IPS.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> SE4All was first announced in 2009. "Energy interacts with all of the<br>
>>>> >> development challenges we face," Kandeh Yumkella, director-general of<br>
>>>> >> the<br>
>>>> >> United Nations Industrial Development Organisation<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> <<a href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/" target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2009/06/development-green-energy-for-all-by-2030/</a>><br>
>>>> >> told IPS at the launch.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Energy experts calculate that decentralised, off-grid technologies<br>
>>>> >> like<br>
>>>> >> wind, solar, geothermal and micro-hydro energy generation are the<br>
>>>> >> fastest<br>
>>>> >> and most cost effective solutions. Extending current electrical grids<br>
>>>> >> only<br>
>>>> >> makes economic sense to meet 15-20 percent of the need due to the<br>
>>>> >> high<br>
>>>> >> costs.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> SE4All is well under way now, with more than 50 developing countries<br>
>>>> >> working<br>
>>>> >> on national plans to achieve the three goals of universal access,<br>
>>>> >> increasing<br>
>>>> >> renewable energy, and doubling the rate of improvement in energy<br>
>>>> >> efficiency.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Since 80 percent of human carbon dioxide emissions come from the<br>
>>>> >> global<br>
>>>> >> energy system, Rogelj and colleagues at the International Institute<br>
>>>> >> for<br>
>>>> >> Applied Systems Analysis in Laxenberg, Austria wanted to quantify the<br>
>>>> >> impact<br>
>>>> >> on the global climate.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> "Achieving the three SE4ALL objectives could put the world on a path<br>
>>>> >> towards<br>
>>>> >> global climate protection," they<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> <<a href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html" target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1806.html</a><br>
>>>> >>> conclude in their paper "The UN's 'Sustainable Energy for All'<br>
>>>> >>> initiative<br>
>>>> >> is compatible with a warming limit of 2 ?C".<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> "Doing energy right will promote the Millennium Development Goals,<br>
>>>> >> such as<br>
>>>> >> poverty eradication and social empowerment, and at the same time<br>
>>>> >> kick-start<br>
>>>> >> the transition to a lower-carbon economy," says IIASA researcher<br>
>>>> >> David<br>
>>>> >> McCollum, who also worked on the study.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> "But the U.N.'s objectives must be complemented by a global agreement<br>
>>>> >> on<br>
>>>> >> controlling greenhouse gas emissions."<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Even if the targets are achieved, explosive economic growth coupled<br>
>>>> >> with<br>
>>>> >> greater energy use will overwhelm the climate protection benefits of<br>
>>>> >> SE4All.<br>
>>>> >> "There is an explicit need for a global cap on emissions," said<br>
>>>> >> Rogelj .<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Global carbon emissions were about 52 gigatonnes (billion metric<br>
>>>> >> tonnes) in<br>
>>>> >> 2012 and that means fossil fuel energy use must decline so emissions<br>
>>>> >> are<br>
>>>> >> about 41-47 Gt by 2020 to have a reasonable chance of keeping global<br>
>>>> >> warming<br>
>>>> >> below two degrees C.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> The shift to green energy is under way. Every new megawatt added to<br>
>>>> >> the U.S.<br>
>>>> >> electricity supply in January came from renewables, and more than<br>
>>>> >> half of<br>
>>>> >> all new electricity generation in 2012 was also from renewables, not<br>
>>>> >> gas as<br>
>>>> >> often believed.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Iceland has 81 percent renewable energy. Scotland has a mandate to<br>
>>>> >> achieve<br>
>>>> >> 100 percent renewable power supply by 2020. Denmark passed laws<br>
>>>> >> requiring<br>
>>>> >> that the whole energy supply - electricity, heating/cooling, and<br>
>>>> >> transportation - be met by renewable resources.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Stanford's Jackobson, among others, have proposed detailed plans on<br>
>>>> >> how to<br>
>>>> >> meet 100 percent of the world's energy needs with green energy.<br>
>>>> >> Jacobson<br>
>>>> >> believes it could be done as soon as 2030.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Costs for the SE4All plan are relatively modest at between 30 and 40<br>
>>>> >> billion<br>
>>>> >> dollars a year, a fraction of the 523 billion dollars in subsides for<br>
>>>> >> dirty<br>
>>>> >> energy in 2011, according to the International Energy Agency. By<br>
>>>> >> 2030, 300<br>
>>>> >> billion dollars a year will be needed to bring electricity into every<br>
>>>> >> home<br>
>>>> >> on the planet and prevent catastrophic climate change.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Fossil fuel emission reductions will have to continue after 2030 and<br>
>>>> >> eventually decline to near zero in order to stay below two degrees C,<br>
>>>> >> said<br>
>>>> >> Rogelj.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> - See more at:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> <a href="http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf" target="_blank">http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/green-energy-solves-dual-crises-of-poverty-and-climate/#sthash.bCVEtR8U.dpuf</a><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > - - - - - - -<br>
>>>> > Robert Korol<br>
>>>> > Professor emeritus, Civil Engineering<br>
>>>> > McMaster University<br>
>>>> ><br>
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