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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Kevin, Crispin and all,<br>
<br>
We are in agreement. <br>
<br>
"Stove Testing" is an expression that has different meaning to
different people. WBT is one of the tests of stoves. Just like
we want to have the Safety analysis reported. <br>
<br>
Kevin's list of questions should be part of a Table of Stove
Characteristics that includes price, etc etc etc. I have
not seen such a table since I posted a Cookstove Matrix in March
2006. Here is the description and the link, but I cannot see the
actual matrix. Erin or Tom, can you find it?<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/stove-matrix">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/stove-matrix</a></blockquote>
Anyway, the point is that we need these kinds of consolidations of
the many factors.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 4/8/2013 12:40 AM, Kevin wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I would like to suggest a different way of
looking at things.... look at a stove through the eyes of the
customer.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">(The "Customer" is the person or
Organization that pays the Manufacturer for the Stove.)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The fundamental question should be: "What
does the Customer want?"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want the stove to
produce biochar?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want the stove to have
the least fuel input to accomplish a stated task?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want to minimize
products of combustion vented into the living space?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want the stove to
provide a space heating benefit for the stove user?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want a stove that
requires extended burn times between refuelling, and a minimum
of attendance?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want a single firing
rate throughout the burn, OR, a "Two Level Firing Rate
capability, OR a large range of firing capabilities?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">etc....</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">"Efficiency" is basically a measure of
"Resource Input to accomplish a desired task"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">It is not the purpose of "testing" to
promote a particular technology or philosophy, but rather, to
measure the effectiveness of accomplishing a given task of
importance to the Customer..</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">"The Customer is the King." Proper Testing
Protocols should allow a Customer to test a range of stoves,
under a variety of circumstances, so that he will be able to
select the stove that best meets his requirements.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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title="psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
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biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="wastemin1@verizon.net"
href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">Hugh McLaughlin</a> ; <a
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href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com">Bob Fairchild</a> ; <a
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 08,
2013 1:50 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [biochar]
Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs Energy efficiency</div>
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<p>Dear Stovers and Biochar makers,<br>
<br>
We are NOT sufficiently emphasizing that
TLUDs/char-maker stoves can use <br>
fuel other than stick wood. When burning briquettes and
pellets and <br>
cobs and shells (which most other stoves cannot burn
very well), we are <br>
NOT burning tree-sourced fuel.<br>
<br>
Crispin correctly says that a kg of wood in and
pyrolyzed is no longer <br>
wood, and therefore is FUEL used, and that relates to
FUEL Efficiency. <br>
TLUDs can consume more wood because they are converting
some of that <br>
wood into charcoal. That is different from ENERGY
efficiency, which <br>
can allow calculations for the energy in the charcoal
that is not used.<br>
<br>
Especially in char-making stoves, energy efficiency is
better than the <br>
fuel efficiency IF USING WOOD. But if the fuel is not
wood, then the <br>
WOOD-FUEL efficiency is 100% (none was burned in the
cooking of the <br>
meal), and the ENERGY efficiency might be very good,
while the FUEL <br>
efficiency (burning ag residues, dung, etc) might be low
in comparison <br>
with other stoves, but no trees were cut or burned.<br>
<br>
About the above, there will need to be some education
given to the stove <br>
community (including GACC and manufacturers and
governments). WHAT fuel <br>
is burned does make a difference if FUEL efficiency is
an important <br>
criteria when evaluating stoves.<br>
<br>
Just because wood is the traditional fuel used in stove
testing does not <br>
mean that stoves that can also burn OTHER biomass should
be judged on <br>
the WOOD-FUEL efficiency calculations. For places like
Haiti, Rwanda, <br>
and many large zones of numerous large countries, to be
able to cook <br>
WITHOUT FOREST DEGRADATION should be a major reason for
choosing TLUD <br>
stoves.<br>
<br>
Having written about this here does not mean that the
message has <br>
reached the decision makers and those who report test
results on <br>
cookstoves. And the makers of "stick-wood-burning
stoves" are unlikely <br>
to want to tell this message to others.<br>
<br>
Because the GACC is about stoves AND FUELS, I hope that
proper <br>
recognition can be given in the discussions and
decisions about the <br>
stoves that can have 100% avoidance of cutting wood, if
that is important.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
-- <br>
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