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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">To all,<br>
<br>
I remember the Matrix to have columns at the right side to show
LPG/alcohol/solar, etc. <br>
<br>
I am looking for it, but that was 4 years ago.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 4/8/2013 6:01 AM, Robert Fairchild wrote:<br>
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">All,<br>
Here it is as an attachment.<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Mon, 4/8/13, Paul Anderson <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><psanders@ilstu.edu></a></i></b>
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From: Paul Anderson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><psanders@ilstu.edu></a><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Understanding FUEL
EFFICIENCY vs Energy efficiency<br>
To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a><br>
Cc: "Kevin" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca"><kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>, "Hugh McLaughlin"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net"><wastemin1@verizon.net></a>, "Bob Fairchild"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com"><solarbobky@yahoo.com></a><br>
Date: Monday, April 8, 2013, 2:25 AM<br>
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<div class="yiv1122228153moz-cite-prefix">Dear
Kevin, Crispin and all,<br>
<br>
We are in agreement. <br>
<br>
"Stove Testing" is an expression that has
different meaning to different people. WBT is
one of the tests of stoves. Just like we want to
have the Safety analysis reported. <br>
<br>
Kevin's list of questions should be part of a
Table of Stove Characteristics that includes
price, etc etc etc. I have not seen such a table
since I posted a Cookstove Matrix in March 2006.
Here is the description and the link, but I cannot
see the actual matrix. Erin or Tom, can you find
it?<br>
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Anyway, the point is that we need these kinds of
consolidations of the many factors.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="yiv1122228153moz-signature">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" class="yiv1122228153moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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On 4/8/2013 12:40 AM, Kevin wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I would like to suggest a
different way of looking at things.... look at
a stove through the eyes of the customer.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">(The "Customer" is the
person or Organization that pays the
Manufacturer for the Stove.)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The fundamental question
should be: "What does the Customer want?"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want the
stove to produce biochar?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want the
stove to have the least fuel input to
accomplish a stated task?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want to
minimize products of combustion vented into
the living space?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want the
stove to provide a space heating benefit for
the stove user?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want a
stove that requires extended burn times
between refuelling, and a minimum of
attendance?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Does the Customer want a
single firing rate throughout the burn, OR, a
"Two Level Firing Rate capability, OR a large
range of firing capabilities?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">etc....</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">"Efficiency" is basically
a measure of "Resource Input to accomplish a
desired task"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">It is not the purpose of
"testing" to promote a particular technology
or philosophy, but rather, to measure the
effectiveness of accomplishing a given task of
importance to the Customer..</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">"The Customer is the
King." Proper Testing Protocols should allow a
Customer to test a range of stoves, under a
variety of circumstances, so that he will be
able to select the stove that best meets his
requirements.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, April 08, 2013 1:50 AM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
[biochar] Understanding FUEL EFFICIENCY vs
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<p>Dear Stovers and Biochar makers,<br>
<br>
We are NOT sufficiently emphasizing that
TLUDs/char-maker stoves can use <br>
fuel other than stick wood. When burning
briquettes and pellets and <br>
cobs and shells (which most other stoves
cannot burn very well), we are <br>
NOT burning tree-sourced fuel.<br>
<br>
Crispin correctly says that a kg of wood
in and pyrolyzed is no longer <br>
wood, and therefore is FUEL used, and
that relates to FUEL Efficiency. <br>
TLUDs can consume more wood because they
are converting some of that <br>
wood into charcoal. That is different
from ENERGY efficiency, which <br>
can allow calculations for the energy in
the charcoal that is not used.<br>
<br>
Especially in char-making stoves, energy
efficiency is better than the <br>
fuel efficiency IF USING WOOD. But if
the fuel is not wood, then the <br>
WOOD-FUEL efficiency is 100% (none was
burned in the cooking of the <br>
meal), and the ENERGY efficiency might
be very good, while the FUEL <br>
efficiency (burning ag residues, dung,
etc) might be low in comparison <br>
with other stoves, but no trees were cut
or burned.<br>
<br>
About the above, there will need to be
some education given to the stove <br>
community (including GACC and
manufacturers and governments). WHAT
fuel <br>
is burned does make a difference if FUEL
efficiency is an important <br>
criteria when evaluating stoves.<br>
<br>
Just because wood is the traditional
fuel used in stove testing does not <br>
mean that stoves that can also burn
OTHER biomass should be judged on <br>
the WOOD-FUEL efficiency calculations.
For places like Haiti, Rwanda, <br>
and many large zones of numerous large
countries, to be able to cook <br>
WITHOUT FOREST DEGRADATION should be a
major reason for choosing TLUD <br>
stoves.<br>
<br>
Having written about this here does not
mean that the message has <br>
reached the decision makers and those
who report test results on <br>
cookstoves. And the makers of
"stick-wood-burning stoves" are unlikely
<br>
to want to tell this message to others.<br>
<br>
Because the GACC is about stoves AND
FUELS, I hope that proper <br>
recognition can be given in the
discussions and decisions about the <br>
stoves that can have 100% avoidance of
cutting wood, if that is important.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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