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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Crispin,<br>
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You wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="color:#1F497D"> stoves that
actually take off 3 tons of biomass per year have been getting
credit for taking only one ton and proclaimed to be ‘better’
and ‘more fuel efficient’ than a two-ton stove. </span></blockquote>
Please provide an example. If it is a specific stove, then name
the names and give the data.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 4/25/2013 10:06 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Here is the
problem restated slightly better without prejudice re other
biomass:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If someone is
interested in the char, it can be reported – it is in the
raw data set. What Ron is proposing, to reduce the energy in
the fuel consumed by the heat energy available in the
remaining char, is akin to considering the fuel efficiency
to be the energy efficiency which is precisely what created
for us a problem in the first place. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The energy
value of the char came from somewhere. Consider a stove that
needs 2 tons of biomass per year to operate. If it produces
¼ of a ton of biomass energy equivalent in the form of char,
fine. Say so. But saying so does not reduce the two tons of
biomass it takes to feed the system. If you have (as you
pointed out) a second stove that can utilise the charcoal,
then that can be viewed as a ‘system’ by all and sundry, but
is still does not change the fact that Stove 1 takes two
tons of biomass each year which is what the reported fuel
consumption should be. The impact of a system is not the
same as the impact of a component of that system. The only
debate left is how to report the fuel consumption and
by-products.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">What has been
happening that is wrong, in my view, is that stoves that
actually take off 3 tons of biomass per year have been
getting credit for taking only one ton and proclaimed to be
‘better’ and ‘more fuel efficient’ than a two-ton stove.
Plainly this is not the case and the test method has to
report the fuel consumption correctly. It is a problem that
the UNFCCC methodology (which measures energy efficiency)
does not handle this well and it is being used for CDM
trades. People are being cheated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Crispin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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