<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Kevin, List +2 ccs<br><br>Kevin:<br><br> Thank for proving my point.<br><br> Let me try again. This chain started this week with Jim Jetter, describing what he will be reporting on ALL stoves. He will reporting new efficiency quantities E2 (no char value) and E3 (only char value), to go with the previous E1(both). I approved. You produced a chart only dealing with E2 (no char value). I corrected your chart and wondered why you left out E1 and E3. You continue to prove my supposition that is because you are a climate denier.<br><br> Yes, it is true that I push this E3 issue because I am a "climate believer". But also because of the soil improvement value of char becoming biochar. So you are harming the Paul Olivier (soil) position, when you admire his ppt and approach, but want to (apparently) only report E2. To repeat, there is no atmosphere-soil conflict with wanting a stove report to include E3 (E1 already being there). I also like reporting E2, since it supports the need for E3.<br><br> I still have no idea what you and Crispin (also a climate denier) want to modify in what Jim Jetter proposes. My suspicion remains on motivations when you say below:<br> <font face="Arial"><strong>"Stoves" and "AGW" are two very separate
issues... "</strong></font><br><br> I ask again, what do you and Crispin want to see reported by Jim?<br><br>Ron<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Kevin" <kchisholm@ca.inter.net><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org>, "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott@gmail.com>, "jetter jim" <jetter.jim@epa.gov><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, April 26, 2013 8:44:26 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Last? Alternative to Charcoal<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial">Dear Ron</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">Ron</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</a> ; <a title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net" href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">Kevin</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:37
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Last? Alternative
to Charcoal</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>List. Cc Kevin</div>
<div><br></div>
<div> Sorry, no apologies on this one. </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># I did not ask for an apology. I was simply
commenting on what I feel is your inappropriate approach to dealing with
issues. </strong></font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div> The issue on the table is whether char-making stoves have an
important connection to AGW. </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># No. This is the Stoves List, and the issues is
how biochar relates to stoves.</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div>Since you and a few others disagree and continue to try to distance the
two topics, </div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># "Stoves" and "AGW" are two very separate
issues, and there may, or may not, be an overlap. If there was no AGW
Issue, there would still be Stoves. I feel it is very important to understand
the issues of each separately, so that "areas of overlap" can be discovered
and used most advantageously. "Stoves" and "AGW" should rise or fall on their
own merits. It is very wrong to evaluate Stoves only INSIDE the context
of AGW, in that the results of such evaluations may, and probably will
be, be misleading or incorrect OUTSIDE the context of AGW. Please do not
lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of Stoves is cooking and/or
heating. </strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div>I think it valid to ask if it is because you/they are a climate
denier?</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># Firstly, please define specifically what you
mean by "climate denier". Secondly, if "True Science" is employed in
"Stove Testing", then a "Climate Denier"(?) and a "Climate Believer"(?) should
get identical results. Alternatively, should there perhaps be two
Stove Testing Protocols... one for "Climate Believers"(?) and one for
"Climate Deniers"(?)? </strong></font></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div> ( Kevin and I have had off- list discussions, but he is free
to say otherwise anytime on his AGW views.)</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># We may have had off-list discussions, but when
I searched my files, I could not find them. Would you be kind enough to
reference them by date, and by relevance to the issue at hand? Additionally,
while you are searching your files, I would kindly ask you to find evidence to
justify your statements, or issue a public retraction as called for in my
posting to the Stoves List on 4/24/2013 at 11:31 AM ADT, as
follows:</strong></font></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><strong>===></strong>(RWL)
3. Many of us have been promoting char-making stoves for
individual (not societal) non-energy reasons that you also state need not be
considered <br> - able to save
money through sale or use of the char<br>
- save time and money by using closer non-wood
fuels<br> - cleaner kitchen (and
neighborhood outdoor-air) environment, so lower health-related
costs<br> - save time by less fire
tending</span>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"># I think it is about
time for you to make a Public Retraction. Please show the List where I said
that the above factors do not need to be considered, or retract your erroneous
statement.</span></strong><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I would comment that I
have supported Paul Oliver with his Proposal to utilize char making stoves in
Vietnam. I am 100% supportive of the use of char making stoves where they are
appropriate and where the Customer wants them. Equally, I am 100% against char
making stoves where they are inappropriate and when they do not best
serve the Customer's needs.</span></strong><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I await your Public
Retraction of your erroneous statement.. <===</span></strong><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><br></span></b></p></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font><br></div>
<div> To me it is important to try to educate deniers, and analyze
their reasons for denial. I just can't comprehend such a view in 2013.</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># Perhaps you, as a "believer"(?) cannot
understand the concerns of "deniers"(?) because you have a fixed belief that
you your beliefs are the only ones that are correct. If your "beliefs" are
based on "Consensus Science", rather than "Real Science", your "beliefs" may
be faulted. The late Margaret Thatcher had a strong view about
consensus. She called it: </strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong>"The process of abandoning all beliefs,
principles, values, and policies in search of something in which no one
believes, but to which no one objects." <br> </strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong># Scientific Truth has no need for
"consensus."</strong></font></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></strong></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Ron</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br>On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:05 AM, "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><strong>Dear Ron</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong>I would suggest that your approach,
as presented below, is some combination of an Ad Hominum
Attack, and an un-scientific witch hunt. The Bioenergy lists should be a
source of Truth and Fact, based on Science, but you persist in tainting
Stove and Agricultural issues involving char with AGW, Carbon Credit,
Climate Change, and "Denier" considerations. </strong></font></div>
<div><strong><font face="Arial"></font><font face="Arial"></font></strong> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong>You could become a "Friend of Biochar" if you
worked toward understanding how biochar can be used to advantage by Farmers
and Growers, in that if Farmers and Growers find out how to use biochar
economically, it will be used on a widespread basis in Agriculture.
Your AGW interests will then be advanced by "Market
Pull".</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong>If you disagree with the views of List
Members, please do so by refuting their views with palpable evidence showing
why you feel they are wrong, and not with ad hominum
attacks.</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong>Thank you.</strong></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong></strong></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><strong>Kevin Chisholm</strong></font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">Ron</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves</a> ; <a title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">Paul Olivier</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:52
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Last?
Alternative to Charcoal</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Paul and list:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div> Thanks for a very complete response. This is to
hope Crispin will respond fully.</div>
<div>If so, I ask him three more to add to yours</div>
<div><br></div>
<div> a. why he has chosen to NOT join the sister
biochar lists, given the heavy emphasis there as well in char-making
stoves.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div> b. whether much of his knowledge on biochar
has come from WUWT. If not what source (i am asking for a few
specifics -not generalities) has he for his statement below</div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
have been many claims made for biochar which, based on what I read and
hear from people who read much more broadly, that don’t stand up to
close
scrutiny.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
<div> c. Does he see the connection I do between his
being a "climate denier" and being a skeptic on biochar?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Ron</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br>On Apr 21, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Paul Olivier <<a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">See comments below.<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dear
Jeff<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks
for that contribution.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
point of Paul’s description is that in the circumstances where he is,
it works. It works on several levels and it will probably continue to
work for a long time.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
scenario was discussed on this list several times before, going back
years, but there was nowhere that all the ingredients were present.
One of the things that makes the rice hull char attractive is the
existence, on a big scale apparently, of land that benefits from the
addition of the char, and growing of crops that benefit from
it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
have been many claims made for biochar which, based on what I read and
hear from people who read much more broadly, that don’t stand up to
close scrutiny. </span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Crispin, I take issue with this statement. The biochar research
that I have been involved with (that is, biochar from my gasifiers) has
been done in three different countries, and it involved seven
universities. More than 20 experiments have been carried out, and in
none of these experiments did biochar have negative effects. Contrary to
what you might believe, this research does stand up to close scrutiny.
These people are not just reading about biochar, but they are actually
doing biochar research. I know many of these researchers, and they are
not engaged in deceit. They are trying to help poor farmers understand
the benefits of biochar.<br></div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
same holds for permaculture </span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>What's wrong with permaculture? <br></div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">and
improved stove and lots of things, so there is nothing ‘special’ about
char, it is just that people get enthusiastic about something and wish
it were universally true.</span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Crispin, it is hard for me to believe that you actually wrote
this!<br>How do you know that that there is nothing special about
biochar?<br>Is this your field of expertise?<br>Have you actually been
involved in biochar research?<br>I strongly suggest that you read the
following: <br><br><a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Biochar/Agronomy_Carter%20et%20al%202013%2002%2017.pdf" target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Biochar/Agronomy_Carter%20et%20al%202013%2002%2017.pdf</a><br><a href="http://www.lrrd.org/public-lrrd/proofs/lrrd2501/chha25008.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lrrd.org/public-lrrd/proofs/lrrd2501/chha25008.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd23/2/siso23032.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd23/2/siso23032.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/2/siso24026.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/2/siso24026.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/2/siso24039.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/2/siso24039.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/2/siso24034.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/2/siso24034.htm</a><br><a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Biochar/Biochar%20utilization%20in%20Rice%20crop%20on%20Tuk%20Vil%20Luvisol.pdf" target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Biochar/Biochar%20utilization%20in%20Rice%20crop%20on%20Tuk%20Vil%20Luvisol.pdf</a><br><a href="http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/11/leng24199.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/11/leng24199.htm</a><br><br>If
you really want to understand the benefits of biochar, please read this
book:<br><a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Biochar/Johannes%20Lehmann%2C%20Stephen%20Joseph-Biochar%20for%20environmental%20management_%20science%20and%20technology.pdf" target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Biochar/Johannes%20Lehmann%2C%20Stephen%20Joseph-Biochar%20for%20environmental%20management_%20science%20and%20technology.pdf</a><br>
<br></div>
<div>The people who wrote and edited this book are not charlatans. They
are not deceitful. They are as good in their science as anyone could
possibly be. <br></div>
<div>Crispin, the moment you start doing biochar research of your own,
then you might have something serious to say in this regard.<br></div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">No
problem, we can live with filters on information to sift out what is
beneficial and in what circumstances the claims how true. Independent
investigation will support it if it
is.</span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Then do the independent investigation yourself. <br></div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
I understand if, the Japanese have being doing this the longest and
they are very circumscribed about what claims are made for biochar.
</span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Some of the best biochar research was done by the Japanese (Ogawa
et al) back in the early 90's. They showed how biochar positively
impacts the growth of AM fungi. This is explained in the book by Lehmann
and Joseph.<br></div>
<div> </div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
is particular soils, particular crops and particular treatment of the
char (temperature, species) that are in combination, what gives
improved results. This theme constantly appears in the literature. As
has been pointed out, just randomly putting char into soil can have
negative consequences – it depends on the soil conditions. The last
thing we need is a case of the char causing more harm than good while
claims are made that it is improving things. The stove community
should be working with agricultural trials
experts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
read in the past that adding rice hull ash to rice fields is
beneficial – maybe because the silica is extra-available, don’t know.
Not my field. </span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>If this is not your field, then on what authority do you base your
statements about rice hull biochar or rice hull ash?<br></div>
<div>Again, I challenge you: do the research, as Preston, Leng and
Shackley have done.<br></div>
<div>What upsets me here is that I know well some of the people who have
been conducting research with rice hull biochar.<br></div>
<div>They know agriculture quite well, they have impeccable scientific
credentials, and they, unlike you, are experts in this field.<br></div>
<div>Then you come along, without any basis in fact, and question their
research as not being scientific.<br></div>
<div>Wow! <br></div>
<div> </div>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
am just glad we have a working example of using gas and char that
makes economic sense. </span></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>It only makes economic sense, Crispin, if biochar plays a positive
role in promoting plant and animal growth. If biochar does not play a
positive role, we might as well burn it.<br><br></div>
<div>Thanks.<br></div>
<div>Paul Olivier<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div></div>
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