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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Crispin and all,<br>
<br>
Wonderful news about TLUDs in Mongolia!!!!!!!! My notes:<br>
<br>
1. In general, we Stovers do not know much about the Mongolia
activities because there has been precious little information
coming to us from the people doing the project.
(Interpretation: We know that you are busy, but do not blame us
for not knowing about or discussing the Mongolia stove efforts. )<br>
<br>
2. Although TLUD stoves are generally focused on dry biomass
fuels, CLEAN BURNING of COAL is certainly acceptable in my book.
(Interpretation: We could certainly embrace coal as TLUD fuel
more if we did not spend so much time discussing (arguing) about
fuel efficiencies being worse because charcoal is made in TLUD
stoves. CO2 negative (bury biochar) vs CO2 neutral (burn trees
to ash) vs CO2 positive (coal). Wow, We could argue this
forever and never get to the business of making TLUD stoves,
meanwhile the LPG stoves can blaze away being CO2 positive.)<br>
<br>
3. That is an impressive list:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
City of Ulaanbaatar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">MCC/MCA
Mongolia (USA)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Asian
Development Bank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">World
Bank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Xac
Bank (pronounced ‘<u>kh</u>ass’)</span></p>
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And none of them can get their act together to divulge about a
SUCCESSFUL project??? Get some of these 100,000 stoves out of
Mongolia and into the hands of SeTAR and Aprovecho and Jetter and
even to me or others. And put a TINY bit of cash behind it to
get their success documented. Certainly the ADB and WB ought to
understand that? No. I doubt it. And the academics cannot
seem to see beyond "peer reviewed" publications that come out
months and months later. Crispin should not have to do this
announcement of important results by himself.<br>
<br>
4. And as for the GACC Stove Inventory refusing to include the
coal stoves, that inventory exists but is not functional (useful)
yet. If it is, let's have somebody explain how they have used
it thus far.<br>
<br>
5. For everyone: The Thread (Subject) of this series of
messages is TLUD Use. And then the next words can say where or
how. But if the where is Mongolia instead of the previously name
Vietnam, then PLEASE ADJUST THE SUBJECT LINE!!<br>
<br>
I am delighted to read about TLUD success in Mongolia. I just
want to read MORE about it. THEN we can tell others about it.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 4/29/2013 9:47 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear
Paul and All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
may be worth keeping your eye on the Mongolian home stove
replacement program by MCC (Millennium Challenge Corp) which
ends in September though will be continued by the
Ulaanbaatar City government. It has replaced something like
100,000 stoves with a value in the range of $15m so far.
Almost all of them are TLUD’s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
% improvement in combustion efficiency and emissions
reduction of PM, BC and CO has been greater for coal burning
stoves than for any other device and it has not received the
attention that it deserves. The performance improvement was
not accidental – meaning it is the result of an iterative
process of testing and analysis. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
is unfortunate in the extreme that these stoves were not
included in the Stove Inventory because they indicate the
level of performance which can be achieved with scientific
testing and sound design advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
fuels being used are more difficult to deal with than wood
or wood pellets yet they have achieved much better
performance so I think it is remiss for the TLUD promoters
not to be on top of this situation. I don’t think there is
another improved stove programme currently going on with
$15m work of product already on the street.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
project is about to step up a gear to include the low
pressure water heating stoves and mass wall heaters both of
which were left in abeyance by the urgency to deal with ger
stoves. The organisations involved are numerous, but I will
mention the highest profile being:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
City of Ulaanbaatar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">MCC/MCA
Mongolia (USA)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Asian
Development Bank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">World
Bank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Xac
Bank (pronounced ‘<u>kh</u>ass’)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Accomplishments:
The reduction in CO is >70% and in PM+BC >90%. There
are fuel consumption reduction benefits though this has been
secondary to air quality in terms of the main goals. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
are >150,000 home stoves in use in the city plus
thousands of other combustors. A complete transition from
conventional combustors to advanced ones will take a few
more years. There are two designs that have proven to be
truly worthy of dissemination: crossdraft burners (which can
be hopper fed) and batch-loaded TLUD’s. Both are capable of
a 99% reduction in PM and I believe BC which forms a great
fraction of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">++++++++</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Stephen,<br>
<br>
Your research with 100 households is highly important. But
I hope that some of your key results on usage will be made
available soon. To wait until the end of the year to maybe
have peer-review publication before we see the results is a
looooong time. <br>
<br>
Just knowing the trends or "favorable" vs "unfavorable" will
help.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
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