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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Frank</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I get your point about the difficulty in getting agreement
between people in a large group. However, I would suggest that a "generally
agreed upon" definition of a "Stove" will help greatly in establishing "safety
and for performance.stove standards". For example a wood burning "stove" that
does not meet Canadian Standards Association (CSA) or Underwriters Laboratories
(UL) Standards cannot be sold in Canada or the US, in that Insurance Companies
will not insure a home or business in which they are installed. If for no other
reason than being able to define the stove well enough to be able to select the
correct Standard, a "stove definition" is important and necessary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>These Standards for safety and performance are very
helpful. They can provide excellent guidance on how to design and install stove
appliances so that they do not hurt people, or lead to house fires.
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The major interest in "Stoves" on the "Stove List" seems
to be in "Cooking stoves in the Tropics." However, there are places in the
world where biomass fuelled space heaters are required. What about
the following applications for biomass heating and cooking:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>* Fireplace inserts</DIV>
<DIV>* Free standing space heating wood stoves</DIV>
<DIV>* Cooking ranges</DIV>
<DIV>* Wood heated hot water boilers</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How should they fit in with the scheme of things?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>best wishes,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kevin</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=frank@compostlab.com href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com">Frank
Shields</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net
href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">'Kevin'</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov
href="mailto:Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov">'Jim Jetter'</A> ; <A
title=wastemin1@verizon.net href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">'Hugh
McLaughlin'</A> ; <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:41
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Stove Definition</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
compost community gave up on a definition for compost after many attempts.
Some have their own but they are never agreed upon by all as there are
outliers of the norm. . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We
just go along as if we all know what compost is. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Some
interest in the biochar group to come up with a definition for biochar. It
will never happen. : ) And it doesn’t matter. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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think the same with Stoves. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Kevin [mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 30, 2013
9:51 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Frank
Shields<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'Jim Jetter'; 'Hugh McLaughlin'; 'Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Stove
Definition<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dear
List</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Just what
is a "stove?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I would
suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we
attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor
stove.'</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">When we ask
Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common
definitions seem to be typified by the one at</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"
1<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">a</SPAN></EM><SPAN
class=ssens> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">:</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN class=ssens>
a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide
heat (as for cooking or heating) </SPAN>"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">At <A
href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</A> ,
the stated purpose of the site is:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"</SPAN>Our
site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with
biomass fuels in developing regions.<SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> "</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">What about
accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a
"stove?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Would
anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Best
wishes,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Kevin</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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