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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Christa</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=stoves@foodandfuel.info href="mailto:stoves@foodandfuel.info">CHRISTA
ROTH</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Stove
Definition</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Kevin, find a definition attempt on <A
href="https://energypedia.info/wiki/Improved_Cookstoves_">https://energypedia.info/wiki/Improved_Cookstoves_</A>–_What_is_it_all_about%3F
<DIV>it is a bit more specific than merriam-webster. </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial># Unfortunately, when I went there, the page is "under
construction.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Would you agree with the following:<BR>
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id=What_is_a_stove.3F class=mw-headline>What is a stove?<BR></SPAN></H1>
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term ‘stove’ refers to a device that generates heat from an energy carrier and
makes that heat available for the intended use in a specific application.
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size=3><STRONG># I think this is a good "broad definition" for a stove.
However, it would, for example, also apply to a device that is more typically
called a "boiler." In line with the Stoves Site, I was hoping to get a
definition that was more restricted to Domestic or Residential cooking and
space heating.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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size=3></FONT> </DIV>
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stoves are made to transfer the generated heat to food, with the purpose to
get it cooked and edible for human consumption. Thus ‘a stove’ features
the <B>combination of heat generation and heat transfer</B> to
a <U>cooking pot</U> if the food is cooked in a liquid, or
a <U>griddle, plancha</U> etc. if the food is baked on a hot surface
or roasted without liquid.</DIV>
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size=3><STRONG># Efficiency of heat transfer is indeed very important A
stove can be designed to accomodate a pot on the surface, a pot submerged
within the stove, a 'two pot system", open flame grilling, a grill or griddle
where food is baked or fried directly on teh stove top, where no pot is
involved, etc. While a stove can be designed for maximum heat transfer to teh
pot, there are many "legitimate stove designs" where the manufacturer has no
control over heat transfer to the food or pot. I would suggest that "stoves
are made to provide an opportunity for heat transfer to food, but it is up to
the user in many cases to employ a suitable pot, wind screen, convection
shield, to maximize heat transfer to the pot or food." Indeed teh
Customer may want a stove with lower heat transfer heat efficiency for
convenience, and may specifically want a "flat top stove", rather than a
"submerged pot stove", simply because of a concern for the outside of teh pot
becoming sooty. However, the Stove Designer may decide to offer a stove
broviding direct heating of the pot, to serve markets wanting such a stove.
</STRONG></FONT><STRONG><FONT size=3>Expressed differently, he may offer some
designs that attempt to maximize fuel utilization efficiency to sell into
rthat market, and other designs, of lesser heat transfer efficiency, to
provide the Customer with other wanted features.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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size=3># Note also that stoves intended for Tropic Regions may not want any
shell loss from the stove, while in temperate or cool regions, heat loss from
the cooking stove can be a decided advantage. I feel we should also include a
"space heating function" in the general definition of a stove. Clearly
"heat loss from a stove shell" in areas where the warmth is wanted should be
included as an "efficiency bonus" to the stove, but if teh same stove was used
in teh tropics, where the "heat loss was not welcomed', then it should be
treated as a "Fuel efficiency loss."</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Am 30.04.2013 um 18:50 schrieb Kevin <<A
href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>>:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear List</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Just what is a "stove?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would suggest that it is important that we all know
what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a
"good stove" and a "poor stove.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million
hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one
at</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> <A
href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>" 1<SPAN class=ssens><EM class=sn>a</EM><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><STRONG>:</STRONG><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>a portable or fixed apparatus that
burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or
heating)<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN>"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>At<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</A> ,
the stated purpose of the site is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>"<FONT face="Times New Roman">Our site is dedicated to
helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in
developing regions.</FONT><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition
for a "stove?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Would anyone have a better definition for a
"stove?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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