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disagree with Ron, but more as "fine tuning" than as a major
disagreement. <br>
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On 5/2/2013 5:16 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> wrote:<br>
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But I am only responding because you were following up
with Lanny. Taking his last line from below <i><span
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"Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a
stick, over a fire a stove?"</span></i><br>
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I would answer emphatically "no" (as I think we all
would), but it should be listed among the better (and rarely
used) ways to make charcoal, whch obviously all stoves should
do..<br>
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I have long used the term "stove structure" to distinguish where the
cooking is done, as separate from the "heat source." That is easy
for me because TLUDs are easily seen as heat sources, and sometimes
criticized as not being a "stove" because there might not be an
obvious place to put a pot.<br>
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So, in the pig on a stick example, the stick and whatever is holding
up that stick is the "stove structure". Whether it is a pig or
marshmallows on a stick makes no difference. <br>
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Are such stick to be called "stoves"? No. Because the heat
source is not defined. A stove needs to have both the heat source
and the stove structure. <br>
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Separating heat source from stove structure is helpful when making
improvements on stoves. Some improvements such as pot-skirts are
stove structure, and can be used with most of the heat sources.
Some improvements such as in air flows are related to the heat
source. but they do have a physical (structural) appearance, but
they are not what I would call stove structure.<br>
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Note: The 3-stone fire is a stove because of the 3 stones onto
which a pot can be placed. Take away the stones and you only have
a fire and do not have any stove structure, so a simple fire is not
a stove.<br>
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I hope this is helpful for some of the discussion.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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