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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Erin and Lanny</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=erin@trmiles.com href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com">Erin Rasmussen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Stove
Definition</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext">We also use
"cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire
there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in
the insulated basket. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"># OK... another
similar device would be a "solar cooker", perhaps associated with the
"retained heat cooker" you refer to above</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p><STRONG> </STRONG></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p><FONT
face=Arial><STRONG># ===> More comments
below</STRONG></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Lanny Henson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Stove
Definition<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Kevin, thanks for stirring
the pudding.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">I believe we are using
“Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens,
griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><STRONG># Certainly, these
are "valid cooking functions", and there are stoves built to best perform for
the different cooking tasks. These would be in different classes of "Cooking
stove." clearly, it would not be fair to compare a closed stove cooking a pot
of rice and having a stack venting the products of combustion outside the
living space, with a grill barbequing or roasting a slab of meat and venting
products of combustion into the living space.</STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">To further categorise stoves,
one could include:</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">* "natural draft or
draft induced by a powered fan" and </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">* "venting into the living
space or venting outside teh living space through use of a stack or
chimney".</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">If you said “cooking
appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove”
is well known word that translates well.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">#<STRONG> Good point.
</STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The word “cooker” would
cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non
food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in
when talking about “stoves”. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT size=3
face=Arial><STRONG># I think the word "Cooker" is equivalent to "stove" in
England. Perhaps we could re-phrase things a bit as follows: "A Cooking Stove
is a fuel consuming device or appliance that cooks food." By this
definition, the "Retained Heat Cooker" would indeed be a "cooker." but it
would not be a "stove." Similarily an "electrically powered stove" would
not be a stove", but it would be an "electrically powerer cooking
appliance." </STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><STRONG><FONT size=3
face=Arial>This definition would thus seem to work for teh purposes of the
'Stoves List."</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT size=3
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT size=3
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Just to confuse things, would
you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT size=3
face=Arial><STRONG># Good point!! An "appliance" is defined as "<SPAN
id=hotword><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">an</SPAN> <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">instrument,</SPAN>
<SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">apparatus,</SPAN> <SPAN
id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">or</SPAN> <SPAN
id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">device</SPAN> <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">for</SPAN> <SPAN
id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">a</SPAN> <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">particular</SPAN> <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">purpose</SPAN> <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);" name="hotword">or</SPAN> <SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,51); CURSOR: default" id=hotword
onmouseover="this.style.color='#0055bb';this.style.cursor='pointer'"
onmouseout="this.style.color='#333333';this.style.cursor='default'"
onclick="return hotwordOneClick(this);"
name="hotword">use</SPAN></SPAN> " at </STRONG></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT size=3 face=Arial><A
href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appliance"><STRONG>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appliance</STRONG></A><STRONG>.
By this definition, it would be a Cooking Stove, similar to a "Three stone
fire", in that there is an "apparatus" (the stick, or three stones) and a
fire, that will accomplish the desired
purpose.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><FONT size=3
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Lanny<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=frank@compostlab.com
href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com">Frank Shields</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov
href="mailto:Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov">'Jim Jetter'</A> ; <A
title=wastemin1@verizon.net href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">'Hugh
McLaughlin'</A> ; <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tuesday, April
30, 2013 12:50 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> [Stoves] Stove
Definition<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dear
List</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Just what
is a "stove?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I would
suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we
attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor
stove.'</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">When we
ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common
definitions seem to be typified by the one at</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"
1<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">a</SPAN></EM><SPAN
class=ssens> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">:</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
class=ssens> a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses
electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating)
</SPAN>"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">At <A
href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</A> ,
the stated purpose of the site is:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"</SPAN>Our site is dedicated to
helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in
developing regions.<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">What
about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a
"stove?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Would
anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Best
wishes,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Kevin</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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