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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>The EcoKalan project in the Phillipines is using a "magic box" cooker with a rocket stove http://eco-kalan.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>I see no reason why you can't do the same thing with a char making stove. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Getting a starch or bean started on a gasifier stove, and then using the remaining gasifier energy to finish your breakfast while the cooker is saving you from using your coals to finish cooking your dinner, seems reasonable. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Erin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> rongretlarson@comcast.net [mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Erin Rasmussen; Lanny Henson<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Erin - cc Lanny. Thanks for the addition. I may be wrong, but I don't think this form of cooker is much in the GACC playbook for WBT4.2.1 drafting (and maybe shouldn't there). I'll look carefully - as this is by far the best way to save money and keep CO2 out of the atmosphere. Unfortunately I don't see a way to tie this cooker into biochar. (This is a favorite topic for solar cooks.)<br><br> But I am only responding because you were following up with Lanny. Taking his last line from below </span><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br> "Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?"</span></i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br> I would answer emphatically "no" (as I think we all would), but it should be listed among the better (and rarely used) ways to make charcoal, whch obviously all stoves should do..<br><br> Going further, there probably is lot to be gained (for biochar) also by promoting more "fire walking" as practiced in the South Pacific. But I digress.<br><br> Other "cooker" approaches to advancing biochar?<br><br>Ron <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"Erin Rasmussen" <<a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com">erin@trmiles.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:06:48 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>We also use "cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in the insulated basket. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Erin </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lanny Henson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Kevin, thanks for stirring the pudding.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>I believe we are using “Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens, griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>If you said “cooking appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove” is well known word that translates well.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>The word “cooker” would cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in when talking about “stoves”. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Lanny</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank" title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com" target="_blank" title="frank@compostlab.com">Frank Shields</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov" target="_blank" title="Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov">'Jim Jetter'</a> ; <a href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net" target="_blank" title="wastemin1@verizon.net">'Hugh McLaughlin'</a> ; <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:50 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> [Stoves] Stove Definition</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear List</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Just what is a "stove?"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor stove.'</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one at</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove" target="_blank">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>" 1<em><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>a</span></em><span class=ssens> </span><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>:</span></strong><span class=ssens> a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) </span>"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At <a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a> , the stated purpose of the site is:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"</span>Our site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions.<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> "</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a "stove?"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Would anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>