<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><style>p { margin: 0; }</style><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">Erin - cc Lanny. Thanks for the addition. I may be wrong, but I don't think this form of cooker is much in the GACC playbook for WBT4.2.1 drafting (and maybe shouldn't there). I'll look carefully - as this is by far the best way to save money and keep CO2 out of the atmosphere. Unfortunately I don't see a way to tie this cooker into biochar. (This is a favorite topic for solar cooks.)<br><br> But I am only responding because you were following up with Lanny. Taking his last line from below <i><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><br> "Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?"</span></i><br><br> I would answer emphatically "no" (as I think we all would), but it should be listed among the better (and rarely used) ways to make charcoal, whch obviously all stoves should do..<br><br> Going further, there probably is lot to be gained (for biochar) also by promoting more "fire walking" as practiced in the South Pacific. But I digress.<br><br> Other "cooker" approaches to advancing biochar?<br><br>Ron <br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Erin Rasmussen" <erin@trmiles.com><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:06:48 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition<br><br><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">We also use "cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in the insulated basket. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Erin </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lanny Henson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Kevin, thanks for stirring the pudding.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I believe we are using “Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens, griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">If you said “cooking appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove” is well known word that translates well.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">The word “cooker” would cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in when talking about “stoves”. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Lanny</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"> </span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">----- Original Message ----- </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">Kevin</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com" title="frank@compostlab.com" target="_blank">Frank Shields</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov" title="Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov" target="_blank">'Jim Jetter'</a> ; <a href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net" title="wastemin1@verizon.net" target="_blank">'Hugh McLaughlin'</a> ; <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:50 PM</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> [Stoves] Stove Definition</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear List</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Just what is a "stove?"</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I would suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor stove.'</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one at</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove" target="_blank">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">" 1<em><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">a</span></em><span class="ssens"> </span><strong><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">:</span></strong><span class="ssens"> a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) </span>"</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">At <a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a> , the stated purpose of the site is:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"</span>Our site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions.<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> "</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a "stove?"</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Would anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Best wishes,</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Kevin</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a></p></blockquote></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org<br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br>http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/<br><br></div></div></body></html>