In Guatemala, the current price to refill a 25 lb tank is $14 (no subsidy). A 10lb tank refill would cost $5.60. 5lb tanks are not permited in the market.<div><br></div>Every country is going to have a different market, regulations, etc....and not every country has an abundance of readily available biomass. Not every customer might want to produce char or have access to biomass. LPG is still an alternative for many families who only purchase wood. <div>
<br></div><div>Christina Espinosa<span></span><br><div><br>On Saturday, May 4, 2013, mtrevor wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div><font face="Arial">What size bottle costs USD $21.00</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Here in the Marshall Islands the standard US 20 lbs
bottle is $37.50 </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">and the small pressure cans in the stores run from
$0.96 up to $2.00 plus.</font></div>
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<div>Philip,<br><br></div>Here in Vietnam bottled gas costs more than $21.00
US per bottle. There is no distribution problem here at all. Some households
use up a bottle in less than one month. When the monthly wage is not more than
$120 US per month, the situation is extremely dire.<br><br></div>In many parts
of Vietnam, rice hulls and coffee husks are often dumped in rivers and
valleys. Sometimes they are uselessly burned as a means of disposal. With the
right type of stove, these agricultural residues put out a beautiful blue
flame that rivals that of bottled gas. <br><br>When we derive energy from
fossil fuels, there is nothing of value left behind. But when we gasify or
pyrolyze biomass, a valuable biochar remains. When incorporated into the soil,
biochar promotes plant growth and sequesters carbon.<br><br>Why derive energy
from fossil fuels when we can get it from renewable biomass? <br>Are you not,
in any way, concerned about global warming?<br></div>
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<div><br></div>Thanks.<br></div>Paul<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Philip Lloyd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'plloyd@mweb.co.za');" target="_blank">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Paul Oliver commented " The price of bottled gas is a huge
problem<br>throughout most of the<br>developing world."<br><br>Part of the
problem is poor models of distribution. Locally, we are seeing<br>the
entry of a supplier who a) has found a way of filling 5kg bottles<br>rapidly
at a central plant and b) distributing them directly to the retailer<br>at
minimal cost, with a growing chain of retailers chosen so that
the<br>householder can resupply within 500m. The net result is a
halving of the<br>street price of bottle gas, and it is now the cheapest way
to cook.<br><br>The advantage of filling at a central plant is that safety
is greatly<br>enhanced; and the discovery of a way of filling small
cylinders rapidly<br>means high throughput and low costs. Most big
bottlers of gas don't like<br>the really small cylinders because they
couldn't fill them rapidly enough to<br>get throughput - it was cheaper (and
far less safe) to refill them at the<br>retailers.<br><br>Regards to
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