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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rongretlarson@comcast.net
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=erin@trmiles.com href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com">Erin
Rasmussen</A> ; <A title=lannych@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:lannych@bellsouth.net">Lanny Henson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Stove
Definition</DIV>
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But I am only responding because you were following up with Lanny.
Taking his last line from below <I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><BR> "Just to confuse things,
would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a
stove?"</SPAN></I><BR><BR> I would answer emphatically "no"
(as I think we all would),</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><STRONG># The
people who use a "Three Stone Fire" as a standard for comparing stoves might
not be as quick to dismiss the above pig roaster. :-)</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> but it
should be listed among the better (and rarely used) ways to make charcoal,
whch obviously all stoves should do..</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><STRONG># If
a Roasting on a Spit" or a "Three Stone Fire" are rarely used for making
charcoal, there is probably a very good reason for it. One good reason is that
theyn would want to cook food and not not make char. If these primitive
techonologies are "... among the better ways to make charcoal..." how come
there aren't many charcoal producers making charcoal with this
technology?<BR></STRONG><BR> Going further, there probably is lot
to be gained (for biochar) also by promoting more "fire walking" as practiced
in the South Pacific. But I digress.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><STRONG># I
see no merit in promoting firewalking on the stoves
list.<BR></STRONG><BR> Other "cooker" approaches to advancing
biochar?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><STRONG>#
This is the "Stoves List", not the "Biochar Promotion List." The
Biochar-Policy List was formed for those and other issues not relatihng
directly to cooking stoves.</STRONG></DIV><STRONG></STRONG></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><STRONG>Kevin</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></STRONG><BR>Ron
<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B>From:
</B>"Erin Rasmussen" <erin@trmiles.com><BR><B>To: </B>"Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves" <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR><B>Sent:
</B>Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:06:48 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Stoves] Stove
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext">We also use
"cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire
there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in
the insulated basket. </SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext">Erin
</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Lanny Henson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Stove
Definition</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Kevin, thanks for stirring
the pudding.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">I believe we are using
“Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens,
griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers.
</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">If you said “cooking
appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove”
is well known word that translates well.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The word “cooker” would
cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non
food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in
when talking about “stoves”. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Just to confuse things, would
you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Lanny</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
target=_blank>Kevin</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</A> ; <A title=frank@compostlab.com
href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com" target=_blank>Frank Shields</A>
</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov href="mailto:Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov"
target=_blank>'Jim Jetter'</A> ; <A title=wastemin1@verizon.net
href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net" target=_blank>'Hugh McLaughlin'</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>'Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves'</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tuesday, April
30, 2013 12:50 PM</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> [Stoves] Stove
Definition</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dear
List</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Just what
is a "stove?"</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I would
suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we
attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor
stove.'</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">When we
ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common
definitions seem to be typified by the one at</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove"
target=_blank>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</A></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"
1<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">a</SPAN></EM><SPAN
class=ssens> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">:</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
class=ssens> a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses
electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating)
</SPAN>"</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">At <A
href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/"
target=_blank>http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</A> , the stated
purpose of the site is:</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"</SPAN>Our site is dedicated to
helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in
developing regions.<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
"</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">What
about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a
"stove?"</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Would
anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Best
wishes,</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Kevin</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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