<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Michael,<br><br></div>The gas bottled used at the household level is filled with 12 kg of gas.<br><br></div>Paul<br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM, mtrevor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net" target="_blank">mtrevor@ntamar.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font face="Arial">Just curious.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">What size bottle costs USD $21.00</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Here in the Marshall Islands the standard US 20 lbs
bottle is $37.50 </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">and the small pressure cans in the stores run from
$0.96 up to $2.00 plus.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Michael N Ttvor</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] The price of
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<div>Philip,<br><br></div>Here in Vietnam bottled gas costs more than $21.00
US per bottle. There is no distribution problem here at all. Some households
use up a bottle in less than one month. When the monthly wage is not more than
$120 US per month, the situation is extremely dire.<br><br></div>In many parts
of Vietnam, rice hulls and coffee husks are often dumped in rivers and
valleys. Sometimes they are uselessly burned as a means of disposal. With the
right type of stove, these agricultural residues put out a beautiful blue
flame that rivals that of bottled gas. <br><br>When we derive energy from
fossil fuels, there is nothing of value left behind. But when we gasify or
pyrolyze biomass, a valuable biochar remains. When incorporated into the soil,
biochar promotes plant growth and sequesters carbon.<br><br>Why derive energy
from fossil fuels when we can get it from renewable biomass? <br>Are you not,
in any way, concerned about global warming?<br></div>
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<div><br></div>Thanks.<br></div>Paul<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Philip Lloyd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:plloyd@mweb.co.za" target="_blank">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Paul Oliver commented " The price of bottled gas is a huge
problem<br>throughout most of the<br>developing world."<br><br>Part of the
problem is poor models of distribution. Locally, we are seeing<br>the
entry of a supplier who a) has found a way of filling 5kg bottles<br>rapidly
at a central plant and b) distributing them directly to the retailer<br>at
minimal cost, with a growing chain of retailers chosen so that
the<br>householder can resupply within 500m. The net result is a
halving of the<br>street price of bottle gas, and it is now the cheapest way
to cook.<br><br>The advantage of filling at a central plant is that safety
is greatly<br>enhanced; and the discovery of a way of filling small
cylinders rapidly<br>means high throughput and low costs. Most big
bottlers of gas don't like<br>the really small cylinders because they
couldn't fill them rapidly enough to<br>get throughput - it was cheaper (and
far less safe) to refill them at the<br>retailers.<br><br>Regards to
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