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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Kevin,<br>
      <br>
      The "charcoal as filler" is not about consuming the charcoal.  
      The charcoal is "almost" non-active in the pyrloysis of the new
      biomass.   This is a discussion about limiting air flows with a
      filler that mostly is inactive in environments that are at 650 C
      without oxygen.      [ Note that I avoid using the word "inert" in
      this discussion.]<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
      On 5/5/2013 4:15 PM, Kevin wrote:<br>
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      <div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">When the "Stove Customer" wants char, then
          char producing stoves is what he should purchase. If the Stove
          Customer wants fuel efficiency, then he should purchase a
          stove that burns the greatest percentage of incoming fuel
          efficiently.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">The energy loss in a char producing stove,
          assuming the char production of the char producing stove is
          about 20% of the weight of the incoming fuel, the "energy loss
          in the char is about 1/3 of the energy in the incoming fuel.
          Say 33%. Even if the char stove could consume 30% recycled
          char, with a 10% consumption, the overall effect on efficiency
          would be about 3%. </font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">Unless there is jiggery-pokery with the
          figures, a char producing stove will be inherently less
          efficient than a "full burn stove."</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">I would suggest that the Testing Protocol
          be set up with categories of comparable stoves. With the same
          testing and Reporting protocol, the Customer would have "the
          Big Picture" and could:</font></div>
      <div><font face="Arial">1: Firstly select the Category of stoves
          that best met his needs</font></div>
      <div><font face="Arial">and</font></div>
      <div><font face="Arial">2: He could then select the best stove in
          the category of importance to him.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">That's fair.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
          black"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            title="psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul
            Anderson</a> </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" title="biochar@yahoogroups.com"
            href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>
          ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
            href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of
            biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            title="jss@bitmaxim.com" href="mailto:jss@bitmaxim.com">James
            S. Schoner</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            title="wastemin1@verizon.net"
            href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">Hugh McLaughlin</a> </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 05, 2013
          5:33 PM</div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [biochar] Charcoal
          as space filler in TLUD reactors</div>
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              <p>Dear all,<br>
                <br>
                My earlier comments about charcoal as a space filler in
                TLUD reactors <br>
                have been placed at my website.<br>
                <br>
                > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/">http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/</a><br>
                Tom Miles replied that between 7% and 10% of the
                charcoal could be <br>
                consumed during such a the TLUD batch. I do not have any
                data on that <br>
                (not yet), but I raise some questions:<br>
                <br>
                1. Tom, what percentage of the fuel in your "batch" was
                biomass and <br>
                what percentage was charcoal? A very high percentage of
                the "fuel" as <br>
                charcoal would favor higher percentages of char
                consumption. If there is <br>
                rather little charcoal as filler, even 10% of
                consumption might be a <br>
                small price to pay for being able to use skraggly narly
                twisted biomass <br>
                that does not fill well into TLUD fuel chambers. But the
                ability to <br>
                fill in the excessive space could be very important for
                biochar makers <br>
                who otherwise could need to do considerably more
                pre-processing of the <br>
                fuels. In other words, more "forms" of biomass could be
                better <br>
                accepted into TLUDs for heat and char production.<br>
                <br>
                2. Charcoals are not pure carbon. Some residual
                volatiles are <br>
                present, with more in the chars that were prepared at
                lower pyrolysis <br>
                temperatures. Merely giving a second chance (and more
                time) for the <br>
                volatiles to become gases could result in a different
                (better?) form of <br>
                biochar. If that is the case, then the 10% reduction
                could be viewed <br>
                as an improvement and not as a loss.<br>
                <br>
                3. Please note that the addition of charcoal into the
                TLUD fuel <br>
                chambers was not a topic of discussion. This is new
                ground and is an <br>
                open field for everyone and anyone.<br>
                <br>
                WE NEED SOME DATA ON THIS. I hope that those who are
                actively producing <br>
                biochar will conduct a few simple experiments to help us
                be better <br>
                informed. TLUD users do NOT need to wait for others to
                get us some <br>
                more data. Please contribute whatever experiments you
                can.<br>
                <br>
                And if you want to work together with others, maybe some
                of you will <br>
                come to one of the Dr TLUD Workshops on Stoves and
                Biochar this year.<br>
                <br>
                Paul<br>
                <br>
                -- <br>
                Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>
                Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:psanders%40ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
                Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>
                Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><br>
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