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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Kevin,<br>
<br>
The "charcoal as filler" is not about consuming the charcoal.
The charcoal is "almost" non-active in the pyrloysis of the new
biomass. This is a discussion about limiting air flows with a
filler that mostly is inactive in environments that are at 650 C
without oxygen. [ Note that I avoid using the word "inert" in
this discussion.]<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 5/5/2013 4:15 PM, Kevin wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">When the "Stove Customer" wants char, then
char producing stoves is what he should purchase. If the Stove
Customer wants fuel efficiency, then he should purchase a
stove that burns the greatest percentage of incoming fuel
efficiently.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">The energy loss in a char producing stove,
assuming the char production of the char producing stove is
about 20% of the weight of the incoming fuel, the "energy loss
in the char is about 1/3 of the energy in the incoming fuel.
Say 33%. Even if the char stove could consume 30% recycled
char, with a 10% consumption, the overall effect on efficiency
would be about 3%. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Unless there is jiggery-pokery with the
figures, a char producing stove will be inherently less
efficient than a "full burn stove."</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I would suggest that the Testing Protocol
be set up with categories of comparable stoves. With the same
testing and Reporting protocol, the Customer would have "the
Big Picture" and could:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">1: Firstly select the Category of stoves
that best met his needs</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">and</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">2: He could then select the best stove in
the category of importance to him.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">That's fair.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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title="psanders@ilstu.edu" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="biochar@yahoogroups.com"
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="jss@bitmaxim.com" href="mailto:jss@bitmaxim.com">James
S. Schoner</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="wastemin1@verizon.net"
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 05, 2013
5:33 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [biochar] Charcoal
as space filler in TLUD reactors</div>
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<p>Dear all,<br>
<br>
My earlier comments about charcoal as a space filler in
TLUD reactors <br>
have been placed at my website.<br>
<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/">http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/</a><br>
Tom Miles replied that between 7% and 10% of the
charcoal could be <br>
consumed during such a the TLUD batch. I do not have any
data on that <br>
(not yet), but I raise some questions:<br>
<br>
1. Tom, what percentage of the fuel in your "batch" was
biomass and <br>
what percentage was charcoal? A very high percentage of
the "fuel" as <br>
charcoal would favor higher percentages of char
consumption. If there is <br>
rather little charcoal as filler, even 10% of
consumption might be a <br>
small price to pay for being able to use skraggly narly
twisted biomass <br>
that does not fill well into TLUD fuel chambers. But the
ability to <br>
fill in the excessive space could be very important for
biochar makers <br>
who otherwise could need to do considerably more
pre-processing of the <br>
fuels. In other words, more "forms" of biomass could be
better <br>
accepted into TLUDs for heat and char production.<br>
<br>
2. Charcoals are not pure carbon. Some residual
volatiles are <br>
present, with more in the chars that were prepared at
lower pyrolysis <br>
temperatures. Merely giving a second chance (and more
time) for the <br>
volatiles to become gases could result in a different
(better?) form of <br>
biochar. If that is the case, then the 10% reduction
could be viewed <br>
as an improvement and not as a loss.<br>
<br>
3. Please note that the addition of charcoal into the
TLUD fuel <br>
chambers was not a topic of discussion. This is new
ground and is an <br>
open field for everyone and anyone.<br>
<br>
WE NEED SOME DATA ON THIS. I hope that those who are
actively producing <br>
biochar will conduct a few simple experiments to help us
be better <br>
informed. TLUD users do NOT need to wait for others to
get us some <br>
more data. Please contribute whatever experiments you
can.<br>
<br>
And if you want to work together with others, maybe some
of you will <br>
come to one of the Dr TLUD Workshops on Stoves and
Biochar this year.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<br>
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