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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Jock,<br>
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Thanks for the explanation. Most of my message below is comments<br>
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1. Belonio and Olivier have fans for FA, forcing the gases up
through the holes. You do not. So you will have less
flexibility in your operations.<br>
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2. You are accomplishing the mixing (turbulance) of gases and air
by having a relatively think layer (like a cylinder or annulus )
of gases rising up into an area with air (oxygen). The air is
coming from the outer side of the annulus. Difficult for
secondary air to be on the inside of the annulus except what can
come in from over the top of the flames.<br>
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3. As Jock pointed out, testing of this configuration would help
us understand the emissions, etc. <br>
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Jock, can you provide one used functional unit for testing
purposes at the Stove Camp this summer at Aprovecho? I and
participants will have the opportunity to test many stoves at that
time. The unit needs to be sent to Aprovecho by July or to me in
Illinois by mid July so that I can take it with me in my car.<br>
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Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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On 5/5/2013 3:03 PM, Jonathan P Gill wrote:<br>
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<div>Good to hear from you.</div>
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<div>Here are a few pictures I hope will help answer your
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<div>The design I am working on was informed by the work of Prof.
Bolinio and Paul Oliver. They place a cap, a burner plate with
two rings of holes for blue flamelets, over the reactor and
only introduce secondary air above the cap. The cap effectively
seals the reactor chamber, preventing any secondary air from
entering. This creates something of a hybrid between a TLUD and
a Retort: a TLUD with a a bit of Retort flavor.</div>
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<div>I do the much the same, but do not use the 80 holes in their
design for the burner plate. My solid burner plate is sized to
allow for a gap between the wall of the reactor chamber and the
edge of the plate. Thus the gases emerge from the reactor via
this gap at the edge. They can thus only meet secondary air
above the gap. Secondary air is thus prevented from entering
the pyrolysis chamber - as per Bolinio and Olivier.</div>
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<div>Bottom view of primary air system - now 5/64 of an inch
holes.</div>
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<div>Top view showing the support brackets. </div>
<div>I no longer use the washers and now rotate the brackets
slightly to form fingers to support the burner plate.</div>
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<div>This reactor can is the only part of the Rim Fire iCan that
should be made of high temperature stainless.</div>
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<div>Burner plate in place. The gap is slightly below the rim of
the can.</div>
<div>The notch is not required or desired. It is an artifact.</div>
<div>I will be trying a slightly larger plate to see if the gap
can be narrowed some.</div>
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<div>Detail of the above.</div>
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<div>I hope this answers your questions.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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I did not understand
<blockquote type="cite">Not having any secondary air
introduced into the pyrolysis chamber is brilliant. I
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Please explain, or re-send how you explained it before.<br>
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Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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