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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>When the "Stove Customer" wants char, then char producing
stoves is what he should purchase. If the Stove Customer wants fuel efficiency,
then he should purchase a stove that burns the greatest percentage of incoming
fuel efficiently.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The energy loss in a char producing stove, assuming the
char production of the char producing stove is about 20% of the weight of the
incoming fuel, the "energy loss in the char is about 1/3 of the energy in the
incoming fuel. Say 33%. Even if the char stove could consume 30% recycled char,
with a 10% consumption, the overall effect on efficiency would be about 3%.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Unless there is jiggery-pokery with the figures, a char
producing stove will be inherently less efficient than a "full burn
stove."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would suggest that the Testing Protocol be set up with
categories of comparable stoves. With the same testing and Reporting protocol,
the Customer would have "the Big Picture" and could:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>1: Firstly select the Category of stoves that best met his
needs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>2: He could then select the best stove in the category of
importance to him.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's fair.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul Anderson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=biochar@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=jss@bitmaxim.com href="mailto:jss@bitmaxim.com">James S.
Schoner</A> ; <A title=wastemin1@verizon.net
href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">Hugh McLaughlin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 05, 2013 5:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [biochar] Charcoal as space
filler in TLUD reactors</DIV>
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<P>Dear all,<BR><BR>My earlier comments about charcoal as a space filler in
TLUD reactors <BR>have been placed at my website.<BR><BR>> <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/">http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/</A><BR>Tom
Miles replied that between 7% and 10% of the charcoal could be <BR>consumed
during such a the TLUD batch. I do not have any data on that <BR>(not yet),
but I raise some questions:<BR><BR>1. Tom, what percentage of the fuel in your
"batch" was biomass and <BR>what percentage was charcoal? A very high
percentage of the "fuel" as <BR>charcoal would favor higher percentages of
char consumption. If there is <BR>rather little charcoal as filler, even 10%
of consumption might be a <BR>small price to pay for being able to use
skraggly narly twisted biomass <BR>that does not fill well into TLUD fuel
chambers. But the ability to <BR>fill in the excessive space could be very
important for biochar makers <BR>who otherwise could need to do considerably
more pre-processing of the <BR>fuels. In other words, more "forms" of biomass
could be better <BR>accepted into TLUDs for heat and char
production.<BR><BR>2. Charcoals are not pure carbon. Some residual volatiles
are <BR>present, with more in the chars that were prepared at lower pyrolysis
<BR>temperatures. Merely giving a second chance (and more time) for the
<BR>volatiles to become gases could result in a different (better?) form of
<BR>biochar. If that is the case, then the 10% reduction could be viewed
<BR>as an improvement and not as a loss.<BR><BR>3. Please note that the
addition of charcoal into the TLUD fuel <BR>chambers was not a topic of
discussion. This is new ground and is an <BR>open field for everyone and
anyone.<BR><BR>WE NEED SOME DATA ON THIS. I hope that those who are actively
producing <BR>biochar will conduct a few simple experiments to help us be
better <BR>informed. TLUD users do NOT need to wait for others to get us some
<BR>more data. Please contribute whatever experiments you can.<BR><BR>And if
you want to work together with others, maybe some of you will <BR>come to one
of the Dr TLUD Workshops on Stoves and Biochar this
year.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>-- <BR>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<BR>Email:
<A href="mailto:psanders%40ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A> Skype: paultlud
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