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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alright people<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>How am I to classify a stove that is custom made for roasting <i>sate</i>? This is not <i>pig on a stick</i> but it certainly is <i>goat-on-a-stick</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=479 height=422 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CE49D8.D41591B0"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It has a drawer for tools, it has the right height for serving appetizing sticks to customers and it is widely used. You can even see the twin fans on the end which are powered by renewable energy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A fish roasting, goat roasting, bullock roasting open fire is a cooking appliance – one of the first invented. They often are fan-assisted too with exquisite power control.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 05, 2013 8:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Erin Rasmussen; Lanny Henson<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0mm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" title="rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" title="erin@trmiles.com">Erin Rasmussen</a> ; <a href="mailto:lannych@bellsouth.net" title="lannych@bellsouth.net">Lanny Henson</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:16 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>...del...</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br> But I am only responding because you were following up with Lanny. Taking his last line from below </span><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br> "Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?"</span></i><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br> I would answer emphatically "no" (as I think we all would),<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'># The people who use a "Three Stone Fire" as a standard for comparing stoves might not be as quick to dismiss the above pig roaster. :-)</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> but it should be listed among the better (and rarely used) ways to make charcoal, whch obviously all stoves should do..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'># If a Roasting on a Spit" or a "Three Stone Fire" are rarely used for making charcoal, there is probably a very good reason for it. One good reason is that theyn would want to cook food and not not make char. If these primitive techonologies are "... among the better ways to make charcoal..." how come there aren't many charcoal producers making charcoal with this technology?</span></strong><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br> Going further, there probably is lot to be gained (for biochar) also by promoting more "fire walking" as practiced in the South Pacific. But I digress.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'># I see no merit in promoting firewalking on the stoves list.</span></strong><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br> Other "cooker" approaches to advancing biochar?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'># This is the "Stoves List", not the "Biochar Promotion List." The Biochar-Policy List was formed for those and other issues not relatihng directly to cooking stoves.</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></strong></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br></span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>Ron </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"Erin Rasmussen" <<a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com">erin@trmiles.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:06:48 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>We also use "cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in the insulated basket. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Erin </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lanny Henson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Kevin, thanks for stirring the pudding.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>I believe we are using “Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens, griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>If you said “cooking appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove” is well known word that translates well.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>The word “cooker” would cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in when talking about “stoves”. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Lanny</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0mm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank" title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com" target="_blank" title="frank@compostlab.com">Frank Shields</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov" target="_blank" title="Jetter.Jim@epamail.epa.gov">'Jim Jetter'</a> ; <a href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net" target="_blank" title="wastemin1@verizon.net">'Hugh McLaughlin'</a> ; <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:50 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> [Stoves] Stove Definition</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear List</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Just what is a "stove?"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor stove.'</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one at</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove" target="_blank">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>" 1<em><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>a</span></em><span class=ssens> </span><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>:</span></strong><span class=ssens> a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) </span>"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At <a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a> , the stated purpose of the site is:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"</span>Our site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions.<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> "</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a "stove?"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Would anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Best wishes,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>