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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul Anderson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca
href="mailto:kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca">Kevin</A> ; <A
title=biochar@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=jss@bitmaxim.com href="mailto:jss@bitmaxim.com">James S. Schoner</A> ;
<A title=wastemin1@verizon.net href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net">Hugh
McLaughlin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 05, 2013 6:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Charcoal
as space filler in TLUD reactors</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Kevin,<BR><BR>The "charcoal as filler" is not about
consuming the charcoal. </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face=Arial># Sorry, I missed
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix> The charcoal is "almost" non-active in the
pyrloysis of the new biomass. This is a discussion about limiting
air flows with a filler that mostly is inactive in environments that are at
650 C without oxygen. </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face=Arial># Why do you feel it would be
advantageous to limit air flow with an inert filler? If the char was
significantly larger or smaller than the biomass fuel, it could significantly
increase pressure drop through the bed, and would likely reduce maximum flow.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face=Arial># Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix> [ Note that I avoid using
the word "inert" in this discussion.]</DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV><FONT
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><BR><BR>Paul<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</A></PRE></DIV>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 5/5/2013 4:15 PM, Kevin wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>When the "Stove Customer" wants char, then char
producing stoves is what he should purchase. If the Stove Customer wants
fuel efficiency, then he should purchase a stove that burns the greatest
percentage of incoming fuel efficiently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The energy loss in a char producing stove, assuming
the char production of the char producing stove is about 20% of the weight
of the incoming fuel, the "energy loss in the char is about 1/3 of the
energy in the incoming fuel. Say 33%. Even if the char stove could consume
30% recycled char, with a 10% consumption, the overall effect on efficiency
would be about 3%. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Unless there is jiggery-pokery with the figures, a
char producing stove will be inherently less efficient than a "full burn
stove."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would suggest that the Testing Protocol be set up
with categories of comparable stoves. With the same testing and Reporting
protocol, the Customer would have "the Big Picture" and could:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>1: Firstly select the Category of stoves that best met
his needs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>2: He could then select the best stove in the category
of importance to him.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's fair.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">Paul Anderson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=biochar@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</A> ; <A
title=jss@bitmaxim.com href="mailto:jss@bitmaxim.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">James S. Schoner</A> ; <A
title=wastemin1@verizon.net href="mailto:wastemin1@verizon.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">Hugh McLaughlin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 05, 2013 5:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [biochar] Charcoal as space
filler in TLUD reactors</DIV>
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<P>Dear all,<BR><BR>My earlier comments about charcoal as a space filler
in TLUD reactors <BR>have been placed at my website.<BR><BR>> <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.drtlud.com/2013/05/01/dr-tlud-shares-some-tlud-stove-operation-tips/</A><BR>Tom
Miles replied that between 7% and 10% of the charcoal could be
<BR>consumed during such a the TLUD batch. I do not have any data on that
<BR>(not yet), but I raise some questions:<BR><BR>1. Tom, what percentage
of the fuel in your "batch" was biomass and <BR>what percentage was
charcoal? A very high percentage of the "fuel" as <BR>charcoal would favor
higher percentages of char consumption. If there is <BR>rather little
charcoal as filler, even 10% of consumption might be a <BR>small price to
pay for being able to use skraggly narly twisted biomass <BR>that does not
fill well into TLUD fuel chambers. But the ability to <BR>fill in the
excessive space could be very important for biochar makers <BR>who
otherwise could need to do considerably more pre-processing of the
<BR>fuels. In other words, more "forms" of biomass could be better
<BR>accepted into TLUDs for heat and char production.<BR><BR>2. Charcoals
are not pure carbon. Some residual volatiles are <BR>present, with more in
the chars that were prepared at lower pyrolysis <BR>temperatures. Merely
giving a second chance (and more time) for the <BR>volatiles to become
gases could result in a different (better?) form of <BR>biochar. If that
is the case, then the 10% reduction could be viewed <BR>as an improvement
and not as a loss.<BR><BR>3. Please note that the addition of charcoal
into the TLUD fuel <BR>chambers was not a topic of discussion. This is new
ground and is an <BR>open field for everyone and anyone.<BR><BR>WE NEED
SOME DATA ON THIS. I hope that those who are actively producing
<BR>biochar will conduct a few simple experiments to help us be better
<BR>informed. TLUD users do NOT need to wait for others to get us some
<BR>more data. Please contribute whatever experiments you can.<BR><BR>And
if you want to work together with others, maybe some of you will <BR>come
to one of the Dr TLUD Workshops on Stoves and Biochar this
year.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>-- <BR>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr
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