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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I've added some new photos that Jed sent to us to the story with the pdf AJH posted:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org/Phillipines-Holey-Roket<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I also added some links to information about the Rok Oblak stove, and linked to the story with the other pictures. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If you need help finding anything on the site, or would like to post something, just let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Erin Rasmussen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>erin@trmiles.com <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Stoves web site and mailing list Admin <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>(among other things)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> rongretlarson@comcast.net [mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Joshua Guinto; Discussion of biomass<br><b>Cc:</b> Erin Rasmussen<br><b>Subject:</b> Fwd: [Stoves] FW: Making Attractive Stoves<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Joshua cc Erin and list [ I hope Erin can get this report up on the stove website, if this transmittal doesn't make it.]<br><br> This is a "forward" rather than a reply, as I am sure you wanted all of your following to go to the full stove list.<br><br> More below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>"Joshua Guinto" <<a href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com">jed.building.bridges@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Ron" <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, May 8, 2013 9:44:50 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] FW: Making Attractive Stoves<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Ron, Erin and everyone <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for the compliments. These stoves are my own work and i hope to inspire a lot of other artists along the way. It was also through the coaching i received from Rok Oblak and Richard Stanley of Legacy Foundation.And each time that i teach people, their artistic talents emerge. There are those in the town of Sorsogon,Camiguin and lately in Bulacan. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>And then about the char making stove, i attached a full project proposal which i am now seeking help to realize. I do not have much resources neither equipments and am working on a very tight budget. Nevertheless i really would want this project to push through with whatever i have now. In fact the stove and the char box is now drying and due for testing in the coming weeks. <br> <b>[RWL1: Your nice project report is still attached. I recommend it to most on this list.<br><br> From it, I now recognize your image from Phnom Penh. I don't believe we ever talked, except maybe in a side "biochar" meeting. I was the one handling the e-mail list (which I have since lost, and hope you or Paul or someone can send me).<br><br> I liked your new char-making version with a "side pocket". But I would avoid tying it in any way to the word "TLUD". But I think a true TLUD could also be made by you and your artists.<br><br> My wife is a potter, so I can appreciate the complexity (and beauty) of what you are doing. Any comments on lifetimes of the simpler stoves seen in the report? We need clay with zero shrinkage</b>.]<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>About bringing the stove to the USA for resale, that is a grand gesture....i will figure out something in the coming days. .... but how about me teaching people there instead? <br> <b>[RWL2: I spent a week in the Philippines about 4 years ago, and so have a little understanding of your economy. One thought I have is trying to get these stove units into any airport or big hotel souvenir shop that specializes in local crafts.<br><br> I wish I were in a position to help you find a position outside the Philippines. Hope someone reading this can maybe help. But, for you, I presume there are some good reasons to stay in a lovely country.<br><br> Last, we have been talking recently on this list of spherical shaped fuels. I hope you can tell us later about pyrolyzing seeds from Lychee and Rambutan fruits. The latter is now my favorite fruit (and has a great size and shape seed). Essentially unobtainable here, and when found - a horrible price. In the little town of Adam, north of you, I could pick all I wanted off numerous trees.<br><br> I will try to add a little more on your report later - but glad to answer questions anytime.<br><br> Ron }</b><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jed b<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>2013/5/8 Ron <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Joshua. Cc Erin and list<br><br> Yours are by far the most artistic stoves I have seen. Please compliment the artists. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> This is also to ask anyone getting near Manila to bring some back for resale in the US. Or <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>maybe Save The Children can help.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> I hope you and the Bulacan artists can do something similar for char-making stoves. (need a closed container with right-sized (plug-able) holes at the bottom and half-way up.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Lastly, your (non-artistic) box in the last photo mentions the words char and pocket. Can you explain further?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks. Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>On May 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, "Erin Rasmussen" <<a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" target="_blank">erin@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm sure you'll love Jed's stoves, the photos were too large to email to the list, so I posted them here:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org/Holey-Roket-2013" target="_blank">http://www.stoves.bioenergylists.org/Holey-Roket-2013</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>his contact info: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Joshua Guinto [mailto:<a href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com" target="_blank">jed.building.bridges@gmail.com</a>]</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>from his email: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>HI Erin<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Excuse me for joining the subject. How about these stoves? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>The first two stoves in the attached i already am making since the past years. And recently, i have been teaching women and soon their husbands to also make their rocket stoves here in the province of Bulacan under a disaster preparedness program by the Save the Children International. They also make their own designs of flowers, castle towers, chess characters, and faces into their stoves. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>the drawing in the third attachment is a prototype in process. It is a Holey Rocket Stove with a char pocket on the side and a box as a platform. I hope to finish it in the coming weeks. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Jed <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>2013/5/3 Erin Rasmussen <<a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" target="_blank">erin@trmiles.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Christa, </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We were talking at ETHOS about characteristics that make an improved stove, a sexy, aspirational stove, a stove that women actually want, and use and cherish, and beg to spend scarce resources to pay for. And I remember promising to ask you for a list of things that we should be thinking about when we make good stoves. So now it's several months later and I'm finally getting around to asking your for that list. :-) Is it in your presentation? I'd love to figure out some way to sort those qualities into my newer more improved way of presenting stoves.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>And question your colleague did that excellent graph of clean fuels with renewable energies (including wood) listed as superior to natural gas. Is that in the Energypedia? I have looked for it, but I have not found it. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Many thanks,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Erin R. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" target="_blank">erin@trmiles.com</a> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>