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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Otto,<br>
<br>
I agree with you
<blockquote type="cite">that <strong>gasifing of biomass </strong>are
here to [STAY] and will develop more rapidly than anyone ever
belived.</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
But please realize that......<br>
<br>
1. The VAST MAJORITY of even the Stovers on this listserv (who
actively develop stoves) and especially the Implementers of stove
projects (who directly purchase or indirectly support the makers
of stoves) have limited knowledge about and probably no experience
with gasifier stoves (and some of that knowledge is
incorrect or out of date, and some experiences were with very
early prototypes). To change that is very difficult. (But
a big "Thank you" to those who are working on biomass gasifier
stoves.)<br>
<br>
2. Tradition and inertia are powerful forces for both those who
should be knowledgeable (mentioned above) and for the ultimate
stove users in the low-income communities and rural areas.
This is the reality of our world.<br>
<br>
3. In spite of all the talk about the value and importance of
innovation and new technology, the entire world still uses what
has been around for a while and has been accepted. And the money
for stove work is quite traditional and does not flow to the new
and innovative. Those of us who are old enough even remember the
YEARS and YEARS it took to introduce even what is today considered
standard: micro-computers in the 1970's/80; and mobile/cell
phones; and the Internet. And those three were stimulated by
BIG money and were initially sold to people in wealthy cultures
with fantastic profits that drove stockmarket success stories.
NEITHER the big money nor the market to wealthy people nor great
profits are present to move rapidly forward the innovations such
as gasifier stoves in the cookstove efforts.<br>
<br>
4. And of course we have to face the political chains that bind
even some of those with the best of intentions. I refer to the
GACC policy of being "technology neutral". Neutrality favors the
established and large and powerful. I have confidence that
eventually the GACC and a wide spectrum of stove producers and
project implementers will turn their attention to the
micro-gasifier stoves. After all, to be "technology neutral"
should not lead to implementations that are "technology blind" or
"technology stupid."<br>
<br>
So, Otto and a few others, take comfort that you are in the
vangard, at the frontiers, leading what will inevitable follow,
that is, the eventual awakening about biomass gasifier stoves.
To us who are believers and have solid experience, this is
painfully slow. But the floodgates for these stoves will
eventually open.<br>
<br>
And why not put everything on the Listserv? Some things take a
bit of time to get ready. Progress will be announced, but most
readers want results, not discussion. Those willing to discuss
AND PARTICIPATE in the new developments usually function best
(IMO) in focused groups. (and this Stoves Listserv is not
focused for solving tasks.) So, capable people need to step
forward and get involved in the tasks.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 5/26/2013 2:46 AM, Otto Formo wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ron<br>
<br>
I do not see any point in arguing with all and anybody, to try
to convince them , that <strong>gasifing of biomass </strong>are
here to BE and will develop more rapidly, than anyone ever
belived.<br>
<br>
What about the issue of biomass as fuel?<br>
Here are a LOT of challanges in preparation, production,
handeling etc.<br>
<br>
Paul A and Ron, <br>
If, "Open Source", realy means something to you, then create a
group of "belivers" and start from there.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
Otto <br>
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