<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Tom, list etal</div><div><br></div><div> Should also add that the words "biomass" and "cook stoves" are in our list description.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:11 AM, "Tom Miles" <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Health issues clearly are of interest. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not everyone in the stoves community will want to receive regular information about health. I suggest two mechanisms: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kirk can subscribe us (<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>) and we can repost information of interest to the Stoves list. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If there is a signup URL we can post it on the stoves list and link from the stoves website to Kirk’s list or archives. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Kirk Smith; Jay Smith; Hugh McLaughlin<br><b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] Fwd: from K Smith [stove] Smoked out: Coal and health<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Stovers,<br><br>I have recently started to receive Kirk Smith's messages in his personal [stove] listserv. Note that it is different from the [Stoves] listserv (capital S and plural s). I wonder what messages I (and others) have missed in the past. Of course, his focus is on health issues, which have not been sufficiently addressed in the Stoves Listserv. Krik, is there an Archive of your previous messages?<br><br>And who else is on BOTH the [stove] and [Stoves] listserv? <br><br>(to Tom M. and Erin, how can we address this needed linkage? I think that Dr. Smith is appropriately focused on "health + stoves" and does not need the full "everything + stoves" that is on the Stoves Listserv. It is we Stovers who what his "health" element added into our "everything" medley. )<br><br>I am forwarding Smith's message because it is certainly of interest to us Stovers. And I add these comments:<br><br>1. The item correctly names coal burning stoves as a problem. But I will anticipate Crispin's rely by saying that I agree with Crispin that there are not bad fuels, just bad stoves. And that the breakthroughs about improved coal burning stoves are just starting to become known and they need further research. <br><br>2. Remember, there are many different types of coal, so look for successful clean burning for a specific stove with a specific type of coal, and celebrate and advocate that success, rather than dwell upon the NON-successes of other stoves with other types of coal. <br><br>3. The GACC needs to embrace the coal stoves as well as the biomass stoves and the stoves that use "other" fuels like biogas, LPG, etc. <br><br>4. Crispin has experience with coal burning stoves in Mongolia. Some are TLUDs. Claims are that some are quite clean burning. GETTING THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ALL OF US SHOULD BE ONE OF THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES OF THE GACC AND ACESS. GACC claims to be "stove neutral". But it is not "stove agnostic". Time for us all the be more knowledgeable about coal-burning stoves, and the GACC and ACESS represent us and have access to funding.<br><br>Enjoy Kirk's book review.<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>-------- Original Message -------- <o:p></o:p></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><b>Subject: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">[stove] Smoked out: Coal and health<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><b>Date: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:03:10 -0700<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><b>From: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">Kirk R. Smith <a href="mailto:krksmith@berkeley.edu"><krksmith@berkeley.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right"><b>To: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal">Kirk R. Smith <a href="mailto:Krksmith@berkeley.edu"><Krksmith@berkeley.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br>Part of a special issue of Lancet on China's health, June 8, 2013. Note my emphasis on the household pollution from coal, which was missed by the book I reviewed/k<br><br><image001.jpg><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Stoves mailing list</span><br><span></span><br><span>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</span><br><span><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:</span><br><span><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>