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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tom,<br>
<br>
I like both of your suggestions. Please be sure that #1 is
implemented.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 6/8/2013 10:11 AM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Health
issues clearly are of interest. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not
everyone in the stoves community will want to receive
regular information about health. I suggest two mechanisms:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kirk
can subscribe us (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>)
and we can repost information of interest to the Stoves
list. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
there is a signup URL we can post it on the stoves list and
link from the stoves website to Kirk’s list or archives. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Stoves [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Kirk
Smith; Jay Smith; Hugh McLaughlin<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] Fwd: from K Smith [stove]
Smoked out: Coal and health<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stovers,<br>
<br>
I have recently started to receive Kirk Smith's messages in
his personal [stove] listserv. Note that it is different
from the [Stoves] listserv (capital S and plural s). I wonder
what messages I (and others) have missed in the past. Of
course, his focus is on health issues, which have not been
sufficiently addressed in the Stoves Listserv. Krik, is
there an Archive of your previous messages?<br>
<br>
And who else is on BOTH the [stove] and [Stoves] listserv?
<br>
<br>
(to Tom M. and Erin, how can we address this needed linkage?
I think that Dr. Smith is appropriately focused on "health +
stoves" and does not need the full "everything + stoves" that
is on the Stoves Listserv. It is we Stovers who what his
"health" element added into our "everything" medley. )<br>
<br>
I am forwarding Smith's message because it is certainly of
interest to us Stovers. And I add these comments:<br>
<br>
1. The item correctly names coal burning stoves as a
problem. But I will anticipate Crispin's rely by saying that
I agree with Crispin that there are not bad fuels, just bad
stoves. And that the breakthroughs about improved coal
burning stoves are just starting to become known and they need
further research. <br>
<br>
2. Remember, there are many different types of coal, so look
for successful clean burning for a specific stove with a
specific type of coal, and celebrate and advocate that
success, rather than dwell upon the NON-successes of other
stoves with other types of coal. <br>
<br>
3. The GACC needs to embrace the coal stoves as well as the
biomass stoves and the stoves that use "other" fuels like
biogas, LPG, etc. <br>
<br>
4. Crispin has experience with coal burning stoves in
Mongolia. Some are TLUDs. Claims are that some are quite
clean burning. GETTING THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ALL OF
US SHOULD BE ONE OF THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES OF THE GACC AND
ACESS. GACC claims to be "stove neutral". But it is not
"stove agnostic". Time for us all the be more knowledgeable
about coal-burning stoves, and the GACC and ACESS represent us
and have access to funding.<br>
<br>
Enjoy Kirk's book review.<br>
<br>
Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[stove] Smoked out: Coal and
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:03:10 -0700<o:p></o:p></p>
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Part of a special issue of Lancet on China's health, June 8,
2013. Note my emphasis on the household pollution from
coal, which was missed by the book I reviewed/k<br>
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