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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tom,<br>
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      I like both of your suggestions.   Please be sure that #1 is
      implemented.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
      On 6/8/2013 10:11 AM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
            Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Health
            issues clearly are of interest. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Not
            everyone in the stoves community will want to receive
            regular information about health. I suggest two mechanisms:
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kirk
            can subscribe us (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>)
            and we can repost information of interest to the Stoves
            list. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
            there is a signup URL we can post it on the stoves list and
            link from the stoves website to Kirk’s list or archives.   <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                Stoves [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:51 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Kirk
                Smith; Jay Smith; Hugh McLaughlin<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] Fwd: from K Smith [stove]
                Smoked out: Coal and health<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Stovers,<br>
          <br>
          I have recently started to receive Kirk Smith's messages in
          his personal [stove] listserv.   Note that it is different
          from the [Stoves] listserv (capital S and plural s).  I wonder
          what messages I (and others) have missed in the past.   Of
          course, his focus is on health issues, which have not been
          sufficiently addressed in the Stoves Listserv.   Krik, is
          there an Archive of your previous messages?<br>
          <br>
          And who else is on BOTH the [stove] and [Stoves] listserv?    
          <br>
          <br>
          (to Tom M. and Erin, how can we address this needed linkage?  
          I think that Dr. Smith is appropriately focused on "health +
          stoves" and does not need the full "everything + stoves" that
          is on the Stoves Listserv.   It is we Stovers who what his
          "health" element added into our "everything" medley. )<br>
          <br>
          I am forwarding Smith's message because it is certainly of
          interest to us Stovers.   And I add these comments:<br>
          <br>
          1.  The item correctly names coal burning stoves as a
          problem.   But I will anticipate Crispin's rely by saying that
          I agree with Crispin that there are not bad fuels, just bad
          stoves.   And that the breakthroughs about improved coal
          burning stoves are just starting to become known and they need
          further research.  <br>
          <br>
          2.  Remember, there are many different types of coal, so look
          for successful clean burning for a specific stove with a
          specific type of coal, and celebrate and advocate that
          success, rather than dwell upon the NON-successes of other
          stoves with other types of coal.  <br>
          <br>
          3.  The GACC needs to embrace the coal stoves as well as the
          biomass stoves and the stoves that use "other" fuels like
          biogas, LPG, etc.   <br>
          <br>
          4.  Crispin has experience with coal burning stoves in
          Mongolia.   Some are TLUDs.   Claims are that some are quite
          clean burning.   GETTING THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO ALL OF
          US SHOULD BE ONE OF THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES OF THE GACC AND
          ACESS.  GACC claims to be "stove neutral".   But it is not
          "stove agnostic".   Time for us all the be more knowledgeable
          about coal-burning stoves, and the GACC and ACESS represent us
          and have access to funding.<br>
          <br>
          Enjoy Kirk's book review.<br>
          <br>
          Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <pre>Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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            -------- Original Message -------- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">[stove] Smoked out: Coal and
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:03:10 -0700<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Kirk R. Smith <a
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                      href="mailto:krksmith@berkeley.edu"><krksmith@berkeley.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Kirk R. Smith <a
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                      href="mailto:Krksmith@berkeley.edu"><Krksmith@berkeley.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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            Part of a special issue of Lancet on China's health, June 8,
            2013.  Note my emphasis on the household pollution from
            coal, which was missed by the book I reviewed/k<br>
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