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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all,<br>
      <br>
      Here is a link for largest of grinders from Cabelas.    US$680<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Commercial-Grade-1-12-hp-Electric-Grinder/1646476.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2F%3FN%3D%26No%3D0%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dmeat%2Bgrinder%26Ntx%3Dmode%252Bmatchallpartial%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts%26WTz_st%3D%26WTz_stype%3DSP%26form_state%3DsearchForm%26recordsPerPage%3D20%26search%3Dmeat%2Bgrinder%26searchTypeByFilter%3DAllProducts%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&Ntt=meat+grinder&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products">http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Commercial-Grade-1-12-hp-Electric-Grinder/1646476.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch%2F%3FN%3D%26No%3D0%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dmeat%2Bgrinder%26Ntx%3Dmode%252Bmatchallpartial%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts%26WTz_st%3D%26WTz_stype%3DSP%26form_state%3DsearchForm%26recordsPerPage%3D20%26search%3Dmeat%2Bgrinder%26searchTypeByFilter%3DAllProducts%26x%
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      <br>
      We would LOVE to have some fuel samples that have been made with
      things like meat grinders.  As Paal Wendelbo correctly says,
      "Start with the fuels!!"    With an assured fuel supply at
      reasonable cost and quality, getting a TLUD to work well with it
      is relatively straight forward.<br>
      <br>
      I cannot take on this fuels research, but I will assist others.  
      I hope that others are already doing it or are willing to get
      involved.   Looking forward to comments.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
      On 6/11/2013 11:14 AM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Look
            for their meat grinder. If you have a cake or meal like fuel
            you can make a wet meal and extrude spaghetti-like pellets
            that are cut off as you make them. Then dry it. You end up
            with a dried lump like Jeff Davis’ fireballs – a low density
            but nicely shaped fuel pellet. Dog food is made the same
            way. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
            use the technique for making pellets for fiber and seed
            mixes but there is no reason why you can’t make fuel pellets
            that way. We have seen this technique used for cooking
            stoves in small projects in India and China. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
            advantage for a stove fuel is that making a wet meal and
            drying it is a low energy process. When we used to make ag
            pellets with binders we probably used about 30-50 kWh/ton.
            In the 1980s pellet mills were re-designed to make dense
            fuel pellets that depend on heating the fiber to 90 C in the
            die to enhance adhesion through hydrogen (paper) bonding and
            lignin flow. Specific power consumption increased to 75-100
            kWh/ton in the pellet mill because yiou are converting
            electrical energy to heat. Particles need to be dry (<8%
            MC) and fine (<6 mm) to make a good pellet. Christa has a
            small, capacity, mill that makes fuel pellets in this way.
            There are also the Chinese mills with vertical dies that can
            be used. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Remember
            Jeff Davis’ fireballs? He put wet fuel into a cement mixer,
            rolled it into balls and dried it out. He showed that it
            made  great fuel for a TLUD gasifier. Why not a stove?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                Paul Anderson [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu</a>] <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:20 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Tom Miles<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Tom,<br>
            <br>
            My quick look at Cabela's site did not turn up any pellet or
            briquette maker.   Please provide a link.<br>
            <br>
            Paul<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <pre>Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/11/2013 7:25 AM, Tom Miles wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
              world is full of failed densification systems. You don’t
              have to go all the way to a high density (35 lb/ft3) fuel
              pellet. Put the crumbled cake through a meat grinder with
              a large sieve and dry out the pellets. Make’s a great
              fuel. $1,000 from Cabela’s. It’s a mini version of
              Richard’s press. There are Chinese versions of course. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                  Stoves [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>mtrevor<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:25 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
                absolutely agree with you right down the line, however I
                am generally the odd man out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
                only pelleting machine they had here was in the copra
                mill for the cake. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">It
                was phased out years ago Now they just move bulk
                crumble. Even though you do not approve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">the
                crumbled cake burned nicely in my XL woodgas stove. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There
                is no coir dust as the is no industrial processing of
                husks. Beside the husks are spread ove an area </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">maybe
                1/3 of the entire United States</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">there
                is a very small scale briquetting operation based on one
                of Richard Stanley's </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">lever
                press and scrap paper at the local waste company.
                Effective processing of biomass waste would be important
              </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">but
                its limited diffuse distributed nature makes this nearly
                impossible. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There
                are some real challenges involved here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Michael
                N Trevor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">. </span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
                  Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
                    title="paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                    title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion
                    of biomass cooking stoves</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                  Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:29 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                  Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Michael,<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Can you access pellets in
                          the Marshal Islands?<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Do you have coconut dust in
                        the Marshal Islands?<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Coconut dust is in an ideal
                      powder form for pelletizing,<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"> and it contains a lot of lignin
                    that should serve as a natural binder.<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I would urge funding agencies to
                  get involved in the finance of pellet machines
                  throughout the world.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Funding agencies should also be
                  investing heavily in biochar research.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">When farmers understand the value
                  of biochar, it will acquire value.<br>
                  Its sale will cover the cost of making pellets.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Once again, fuel preparation is
                  critical.<br>
                  Imagine where the coal industry would be without coal
                  preparation.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">There are a lot of bad fuels out
                  there, such as coconut dust, that need to be prepared.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 11,
                                    2013 at 2:44 PM, mtrevor <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net"
                                      target="_blank">mtrevor@ntamar.net</a>>
                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear
                                          Paul </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If
                                          you start making this unit
                                          please advise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thank
                                          you</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Michael
                                          N Trevor</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Majuro
                                        </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Marshall
                                          islands</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">n</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote
                                      style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
                                              Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank"
                                                title="paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul
                                                Olivier</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"
                                                title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion
                                                of biomass cooking
                                                stoves</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                                              Tuesday, June 11, 2013
                                              6:54 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
                                              Re: [Stoves] wheat husk
                                              pellets</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">In my
                                              previous email I concluded
                                              by saying:<br>
                                              <i>What's needed above all
                                                else, in my opinion, are
                                                small, beautiful TLUD's
                                                that make use of
                                                pellets. Such units
                                                could be situated in
                                                modern kitchens
                                                throughout the world.
                                                Once these units are in
                                                place, the rest will
                                                follow.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                It seems that Home
                                                Depot, Wal-mart, Lowes,
                                                Ace, Agway and many
                                                others large retailers
                                                in the USA all carry
                                                wood pellets. Why can we
                                                not make TLUDs that make
                                                use of these pellets as
                                                fuel? The only thing
                                                that changes is the
                                                height of the reactor:
                                                it's much less than the
                                                height of a reactor that
                                                uses undensified
                                                biomass. This means that
                                                the TLUD is small,
                                                lightweight, mobile and
                                                much cheaper.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Here is an example of
                                                what I am talking about:<br>
                                                <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf"
                                                  target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf</a><br>
                                                The total height of the
                                                reactor is less than 10
                                                inches.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">This
                                                reactor holds about 2
                                                kgs of pellets.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">This
                                                gives a burn time of
                                                about one and a half
                                                hours.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">The
                                                reactor itself in 304
                                                stainless steel weighs
                                                less than 1.5 kgs.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">We've
                                                already tested taller
                                                TLUDs on rice hull
                                                pellets,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"> and
                                                they emit the same
                                                beautiful blue flame as
                                                when loose rice hulls
                                                are used.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Another
                                                big advantage of pellets
                                                is that there is much
                                                less particulate matter
                                                emissions compared to
                                                loose rice hulls.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Loose
                                                rice hulls are dusty,
                                                messy, bulky and a real
                                                nuisance to store and
                                                load.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">In an
                                                urban setting it makes
                                                no sense to be hauling
                                                in loose rice hulls of a
                                                bulk density of only 80
                                                kg/m3.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">If
                                              we're going to compete
                                              with fossil fuel gas,
                                              we've must reach a certain
                                              level of convenience and
                                              ease of use.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at
                                                6:11 AM, Paul Olivier
                                                <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>>
                                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal">See
                                                  comments below.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">On
                                                        Mon, Jun 10,
                                                        2013 at 7:01 PM,
                                                        Crispin
                                                        Pemberton-Pigott
                                                        <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Dear
                                                        Paul O<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        The reason is
                                                        economics.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">In
                                                        may cases
                                                        transport
                                                        distances are
                                                        short, and the
                                                        economics are
                                                        quite good, and
                                                        yet we
                                                        complacently
                                                        continue to burn
                                                        fossil fuels. I
                                                        lived for over
                                                        20 years in West
                                                        Flanders in
                                                        Belgium where
                                                        wheat fields
                                                        encroached upon
                                                        densely
                                                        populated rural
                                                        areas, and yet
                                                        everyone merrily
                                                        burned LPG gas
                                                        to cook a meal.
                                                        Later I move to
                                                        Waxahachie,
                                                        Texas, a small
                                                        town near
                                                        Dallas, and once
                                                        again, wheat
                                                        fields were
                                                        everywhere. Yet
                                                        no one dreamed
                                                        of making wheat
                                                        husk or wheat
                                                        straw pellets
                                                        and using them
                                                        to make syngas
                                                        to cook a meal.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          China is
                                                          showing at the
                                                          moment that
                                                          the maximum
                                                          radius that is
                                                          viable to
                                                          transport
                                                          pellets/briquettes
                                                          is 150 km.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">China
                                                        appears to be
                                                        struggling with
                                                        a lack of
                                                        infrastructure
                                                        in getting
                                                        pellets to
                                                        market. How does
                                                        one explain the
                                                        economics of
                                                        shipping coffee
                                                        husk pellets
                                                        from Brazil to
                                                        Holland as we
                                                        see in this
                                                        link? <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/"
                                                          target="_blank">http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/</a>
                                                        This is a
                                                        thoroughly bold
                                                        undertaking, but
                                                        does it make
                                                        sense to
                                                        transport coffee
                                                        husk pellets
                                                        half way around
                                                        the world to
                                                        provide fuel for
                                                        Dutch power
                                                        stations? Why
                                                        not make use of
                                                        these pellets in
                                                        Brazil? Also,
                                                        one might argue
                                                        that the highest
                                                        and best use of
                                                        coffee husk
                                                        pellets would
                                                        be, not to burn
                                                        them in huge
                                                        power stations,
                                                        but to generate
                                                        from them a
                                                        syngas that
                                                        would replace
                                                        bottled gas or
                                                        other forms of
                                                        fossil fuel gas.
                                                        The biochar left
                                                        over from these
                                                        stoves would
                                                        then be returned
                                                        to the soil.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          $76 a ton is
                                                          cheap by
                                                          Canadian
                                                          standards but
                                                          far higher
                                                          than the price
                                                          of coal per
                                                          delivered MJ.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Not
                                                        always so.
                                                        Vietnamese coal
                                                        coming from the
                                                        north costs more
                                                        per delivered MJ
                                                        than rice hulls
                                                        pellets. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">In
                                                        Vietnam there is
                                                        a huge
                                                        multi-billion
                                                        dollar
                                                        infrastructure
                                                        that underlies
                                                        the mining,
                                                        preparation and
                                                        transportation
                                                        of coal.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">This
                                                        infrastructure
                                                        does not yet
                                                        exist for waste
                                                        biomass pellets.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          Agri-waste
                                                          pellets are a
                                                          nice fuel
                                                          provided they
                                                          have been
                                                          prepared
                                                          properly.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">The
                                                        same applies to
                                                        coal and all
                                                        other fossil
                                                        fuels.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Coal
                                                        preparation is a
                                                        gigantic and
                                                        complex
                                                        undertaking.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                           <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                                        #CCCCCC
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          If the value
                                                          of char is
                                                          'always there'
                                                          it is quite
                                                          possible the
                                                          economic
                                                          equation will
                                                          change with
                                                          the
                                                          introduction
                                                          of gasifiers,
                                                          however the
                                                          same energy
                                                          production
                                                          rate will
                                                          increase the
                                                          demand for
                                                          transport and
                                                          raw husk
                                                          supply.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yes, you are right. The introduction of
                                                        pellet gasifiers
                                                        in a given area
                                                        will create a
                                                        demand for
                                                        pellets, and the
                                                        demand for
                                                        pellets will
                                                        stimulate the
                                                        construction of
                                                        the
                                                        infrastructure
                                                        needed to meet
                                                        this demand.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          You know all
                                                          this. How
                                                          about giving
                                                          us an equation
                                                          or spreadsheet
                                                          that includes
                                                          the whole
                                                          value chain?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <blockquote
                                                        style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                                        #CCCCCC
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          Stovers could
                                                          plug in their
                                                          local costs
                                                          and make a
                                                          comparison
                                                          between
                                                          options. In at
                                                          least <i>some
                                                          </i>circumstances
                                                          the
                                                          gasification
                                                          route would be
                                                          the most
                                                          viable.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Instead
                                                        of using the
                                                        word "some". I
                                                        would prefer to
                                                        say "many".<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                                      #CCCCCC
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                        The UK buys wood
                                                        pellets from
                                                        Canada to burn
                                                        in power
                                                        stations, but
                                                        that is
                                                        subsidized by
                                                        pensions
                                                        grannies and the
                                                        working poor.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </blockquote>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Once again, why haul pellets from Canada to
                                                        the UK? Does the
                                                        UK not have an
                                                        abundance of
                                                        agricultural
                                                        waste? And once
                                                        again, should we
                                                        not focus more
                                                        on producing
                                                        syngas from
                                                        pellets and
                                                        directly using
                                                        this syngas to
                                                        cook a meal?
                                                        Burning pellets
                                                        to make
                                                        electricity is
                                                        surely not the
                                                        wisest way to
                                                        proceed,
                                                        especially if
                                                        this electricity
                                                        is used as a
                                                        source of energy
                                                        to cook a meal.
                                                        Why not bypass
                                                        the power
                                                        station
                                                        altogether?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">What's
                                                        needed above all
                                                        else, in my
                                                        opinion, are
                                                        small, beautiful
                                                        TLUD's that make
                                                        use of pellets.
                                                        Such units could
                                                        be situated in
                                                        modern kitchens
                                                        throughout the
                                                        world. Once
                                                        these units are
                                                        in place, the
                                                        rest will
                                                        follow.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                                          #CCCCCC
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          Regards<br>
                                                          Crispin<br>
                                                          >From
                                                          BB9900<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          -----Original
                                                          Message-----<br>
                                                          From: Paul
                                                          Olivier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
                                                          target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>><br>
                                                          Sender:
                                                          "Stoves" <<a
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                                                          href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
                                                          Date: Mon, 10
                                                          Jun 2013
                                                          15:19:20<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">To: Discussion of biomass cooking
                                                          stoves<<a
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href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
                                                          Reply-To:
                                                          Discussion of
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                                                          cooking stoves<br>
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                                                          target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
                                                          Subject:
                                                          [Stoves] wheat
                                                          husk pellets<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <div>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                    <br clear="all">
                                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                      -- <br>
                                                      Paul A. Olivier
                                                      PhD<br>
                                                      26/5 Phu Dong
                                                      Thien Vuong<br>
                                                      Dalat<br>
                                                      Vietnam<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Louisiana
                                                      telephone:
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                                                      (rings Vietnam)<br>
                                                      Mobile:
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                                                      Vietnam)<br>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                              <br clear="all">
                                              <br>
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                                              Paul A. Olivier PhD<br>
                                              26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong<br>
                                              Dalat<br>
                                              Vietnam<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Louisiana telephone:
                                              1-337-447-4124 (rings
                                              Vietnam)<br>
                                              Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in
                                              Vietnam)<br>
                                              Skype address: Xpolivier<br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                        align="center">
                                        <hr size="3" width="100%"
                                          align="center"></div>
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                                  <br>
                                  -- <br>
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                                  26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong<br>
                                  Dalat<br>
                                  Vietnam<br>
                                  <br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            <br>
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