<div dir="ltr">See comments below.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear Paul O<br>
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The reason is economics.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In may cases transport distances are short, and the economics are quite good, and yet we complacently continue to burn fossil fuels. I lived for over 20 years in West Flanders in Belgium where wheat fields encroached upon densely populated rural areas, and yet everyone merrily burned LPG gas to cook a meal. Later I move to Waxahachie, Texas, a small town near Dallas, and once again, wheat fields were everywhere. Yet no one dreamed of making wheat husk or wheat straw pellets and using them to make syngas to cook a meal.<br>
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China is showing at the moment that the maximum radius that is viable to transport pellets/briquettes is 150 km.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>China appears to be struggling with a lack of infrastructure in getting pellets to market. How does one explain the economics of shipping coffee husk pellets from Brazil to Holland as we see in this link? <a href="http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/">http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/</a> This is a thoroughly bold undertaking, but does it make sense to transport coffee husk pellets half way around the world to provide fuel for Dutch power stations? Why not make use of these pellets in Brazil? Also, one might argue that the highest and best use of coffee husk pellets would be, not to burn them in huge power stations, but to generate from them a syngas that would replace bottled gas or other forms of fossil fuel gas. The biochar left over from these stoves would then be returned to the soil.<br>
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$76 a ton is cheap by Canadian standards but far higher than the price of coal per delivered MJ.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not always so. Vietnamese coal coming from the north costs more per delivered MJ than rice hulls pellets. <br>
</div><div>In Vietnam there is a huge multi-billion dollar infrastructure that underlies the mining, preparation and transportation of coal.<br></div><div>This infrastructure does not yet exist for waste biomass pellets.<br>
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Agri-waste pellets are a nice fuel provided they have been prepared properly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The same applies to coal and all other fossil fuels.<br></div><div>Coal preparation is a gigantic and complex undertaking.<br>
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If the value of char is 'always there' it is quite possible the economic equation will change with the introduction of gasifiers, however the same energy production rate will increase the demand for transport and raw husk supply.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, you are right. The introduction of pellet gasifiers in a given area will create a demand for pellets, and the demand for pellets will stimulate the construction of the infrastructure needed to meet this demand.<br>
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You know all this. How about giving us an equation or spreadsheet that includes the whole value chain?<br></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Stovers could plug in their local costs and make a comparison between options. In at least <i>some </i>circumstances the gasification route would be the most viable.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Instead of using the word "some". I would prefer to say "many".<br>
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The UK buys wood pellets from Canada to burn in power stations, but that is subsidized by pensions grannies and the working poor.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Once again, why haul pellets from Canada to the UK? Does the UK not have an abundance of agricultural waste? And once again, should we not focus more on producing syngas from pellets and directly using this syngas to cook a meal? Burning pellets to make electricity is surely not the wisest way to proceed, especially if this electricity is used as a source of energy to cook a meal. Why not bypass the power station altogether?<br>
<br></div><div>What's needed above all else, in my opinion, are small, beautiful TLUD's that make use of pellets. Such units could be situated in modern kitchens throughout the world. Once these units are in place, the rest will follow.<br>
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Regards<br>
Crispin<br>
>From BB9900<br>
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