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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Tom,<br>
<br>
My quick look at Cabela's site did not turn up any pellet or
briquette maker. Please provide a link.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 6/11/2013 7:25 AM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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world is full of failed densification systems. You don’t
have to go all the way to a high density (35 lb/ft3) fuel
pellet. Put the crumbled cake through a meat grinder with a
large sieve and dry out the pellets. Make’s a great fuel.
$1,000 from Cabela’s. It’s a mini version of Richard’s
press. There are Chinese versions of course. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Stoves [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>mtrevor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
absolutely agree with you right down the line, however I
am generally the odd man out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
only pelleting machine they had here was in the copra mill
for the cake. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">It
was phased out years ago Now they just move bulk crumble.
Even though you do not approve</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">the
crumbled cake burned nicely in my XL woodgas stove. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There
is no coir dust as the is no industrial processing of
husks. Beside the husks are spread ove an area </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">maybe
1/3 of the entire United States</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">there
is a very small scale briquetting operation based on one
of Richard Stanley's </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">lever
press and scrap paper at the local waste company.
Effective processing of biomass waste would be important </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">but
its limited diffuse distributed nature makes this nearly
impossible. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There
are some real challenges involved here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Michael
N Trevor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
title="paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:29 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Michael,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you access pellets in the
Marshal Islands?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Do you have coconut dust in the
Marshal Islands?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Coconut dust is in an ideal
powder form for pelletizing,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> and it contains a lot of lignin
that should serve as a natural binder.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would urge funding agencies to get
involved in the finance of pellet machines throughout
the world.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Funding agencies should also be
investing heavily in biochar research.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">When farmers understand the value of
biochar, it will acquire value.<br>
Its sale will cover the cost of making pellets.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Once again, fuel preparation is
critical.<br>
Imagine where the coal industry would be without coal
preparation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are a lot of bad fuels out
there, such as coconut dust, that need to be prepared.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 11,
2013 at 2:44 PM, mtrevor <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net"
target="_blank">mtrevor@ntamar.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear
Paul </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If
you start making this unit
please advise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thank
you</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Michael
N Trevor</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Majuro
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Marshall
islands</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">n</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target="_blank"
title="paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul
Olivier</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target="_blank"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:54
PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">
Re: [Stoves] wheat husk
pellets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In my
previous email I concluded
by saying:<br>
<i>What's needed above all
else, in my opinion, are
small, beautiful TLUD's
that make use of pellets.
Such units could be
situated in modern
kitchens throughout the
world. Once these units
are in place, the rest
will follow.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
It seems that Home Depot,
Wal-mart, Lowes, Ace,
Agway and many others
large retailers in the USA
all carry wood pellets.
Why can we not make TLUDs
that make use of these
pellets as fuel? The only
thing that changes is the
height of the reactor:
it's much less than the
height of a reactor that
uses undensified biomass.
This means that the TLUD
is small, lightweight,
mobile and much cheaper.<br>
<br>
Here is an example of what
I am talking about:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf"
target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf</a><br>
The total height of the
reactor is less than 10
inches.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This
reactor holds about 2 kgs
of pellets.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This
gives a burn time of about
one and a half hours.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The
reactor itself in 304
stainless steel weighs
less than 1.5 kgs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We've
already tested taller
TLUDs on rice hull
pellets,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> and
they emit the same
beautiful blue flame as
when loose rice hulls are
used.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Another
big advantage of pellets
is that there is much less
particulate matter
emissions compared to
loose rice hulls.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Loose
rice hulls are dusty,
messy, bulky and a real
nuisance to store and
load.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In an
urban setting it makes no
sense to be hauling in
loose rice hulls of a bulk
density of only 80 kg/m3.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If we're
going to compete with fossil
fuel gas, we've must reach a
certain level of convenience
and ease of use.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue,
Jun 11, 2013 at 6:11 AM,
Paul Olivier <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">See
comments below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On
Mon, Jun 10, 2013
at 7:01 PM,
Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear
Paul O<br>
<br>
The reason is
economics.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In
may cases
transport
distances are
short, and the
economics are
quite good, and
yet we
complacently
continue to burn
fossil fuels. I
lived for over 20
years in West
Flanders in
Belgium where
wheat fields
encroached upon
densely populated
rural areas, and
yet everyone
merrily burned LPG
gas to cook a
meal. Later I move
to Waxahachie,
Texas, a small
town near Dallas,
and once again,
wheat fields were
everywhere. Yet no
one dreamed of
making wheat husk
or wheat straw
pellets and using
them to make
syngas to cook a
meal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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China is showing
at the moment
that the maximum
radius that is
viable to
transport
pellets/briquettes
is 150 km.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">China
appears to be
struggling with a
lack of
infrastructure in
getting pellets to
market. How does
one explain the
economics of
shipping coffee
husk pellets from
Brazil to Holland
as we see in this
link? <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/"
target="_blank">http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/</a>
This is a
thoroughly bold
undertaking, but
does it make sense
to transport
coffee husk
pellets half way
around the world
to provide fuel
for Dutch power
stations? Why not
make use of these
pellets in Brazil?
Also, one might
argue that the
highest and best
use of coffee husk
pellets would be,
not to burn them
in huge power
stations, but to
generate from them
a syngas that
would replace
bottled gas or
other forms of
fossil fuel gas.
The biochar left
over from these
stoves would then
be returned to the
soil.<o:p></o:p></p>
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$76 a ton is
cheap by
Canadian
standards but
far higher than
the price of
coal per
delivered MJ.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not
always so.
Vietnamese coal
coming from the
north costs more
per delivered MJ
than rice hulls
pellets. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In
Vietnam there is a
huge multi-billion
dollar
infrastructure
that underlies the
mining,
preparation and
transportation of
coal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This
infrastructure
does not yet exist
for waste biomass
pellets.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
Agri-waste
pellets are a
nice fuel
provided they
have been
prepared
properly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The
same applies to
coal and all other
fossil fuels.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Coal
preparation is a
gigantic and
complex
undertaking.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><br>
If the value of
char is 'always
there' it is
quite possible
the economic
equation will
change with the
introduction of
gasifiers,
however the same
energy
production rate
will increase
the demand for
transport and
raw husk supply.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yes, you are right. The introduction of
pellet gasifiers
in a given area
will create a
demand for
pellets, and the
demand for pellets
will stimulate the
construction of
the infrastructure
needed to meet
this demand.<o:p></o:p></p>
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You know all
this. How about
giving us an
equation or
spreadsheet that
includes the
whole value
chain?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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Stovers could
plug in their
local costs and
make a
comparison
between options.
In at least <i>some
</i>circumstances
the gasification
route would be
the most viable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Instead
of using the word
"some". I would
prefer to say
"many".<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
The UK buys wood
pellets from
Canada to burn in
power stations,
but that is
subsidized by
pensions grannies
and the working
poor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Once again, why haul pellets from Canada to
the UK? Does the
UK not have an
abundance of
agricultural
waste? And once
again, should we
not focus more on
producing syngas
from pellets and
directly using
this syngas to
cook a meal?
Burning pellets to
make electricity
is surely not the
wisest way to
proceed,
especially if this
electricity is
used as a source
of energy to cook
a meal. Why not
bypass the power
station
altogether?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What's
needed above all
else, in my
opinion, are
small, beautiful
TLUD's that make
use of pellets.
Such units could
be situated in
modern kitchens
throughout the
world. Once these
units are in
place, the rest
will follow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
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Regards<br>
Crispin<br>
>From
BB9900<o:p></o:p></p>
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