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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I has worked for me about a miinute ago but it
rolls over to part of the bioenergy lists</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A
href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/taxonomy/term/822">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/taxonomy/term/822</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>His latest entry was like yesterday a rebuilt lawn
tracker</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rongretlarson@comcast.net
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> ; <A title=mtrevor@ntamar.net
href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] wheat husk
pellets</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Michael<BR><BR>
Thanks for the lead. The URL seems to have lapsed.<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR>
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<B>From: </B>"mtrevor" <<A
href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor@ntamar.net</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>"Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <<A
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>><BR><B>Sent:
</B>Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:55:29 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Stoves] wheat
husk pellets<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dear ALL </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>For some of Jeff Davis's work try <A
href="http://www.puffergas.com"
target=_blank>www.puffergas.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Michael</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rongretlarson@comcast.net href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
target=_blank>rongretlarson@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] wheat husk
pellets</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tom
cc list<BR><BR>Tom - thanks for the added info. Most of this note on
making balls<BR><BR> 1. I found a nice fairly
recent article on balls (and char-making stoves) by Jeff Davis
at<BR> <A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://ccs.infospace.com/ClickHandler.ashx?du=arecop.org%2fdownload%2fGlow%252038A.pdf&ru=http%3a%2f%2farecop.org%2fdownload%2fGlow%252038A.pdf&ld=20130611&ap=10&app=1&c=acpro16.ggl7&s=acpro16&coi=771&cop=main-title&euip=71.237.22.183&npp=10&p=0&pp=0&pvaid=edfc4758aa8a44cebb467c59acc46071&ep=5&mid=9&hash=E74ECE29983A9CA222F95C2F896B8B3D"
target=_blank><CITE>arecop.org/download/Glow
38A.pdf</CITE></A><BR><BR> could not find an email address for
Jeff. Has this journal stopped publication? Sorry if
so.<BR><BR> 2.I vaguely remember the "ball" topic, but I
was off on other topics back in 2006-2007 when all of the stove archives on
this "ball" topc exist. Can you (anyone) fill in on more of this
story? Anything commercial going on? Is this the lowest
energy form of production?<BR><BR> 3. In
trying to follow up on the fireball story, the first video at
<BR>
http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/taxonomy/term/576<BR>said it didn't
exist. Can we maybe get it back?<BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: none"
href="http://ccs.infospace.com/ClickHandler.ashx?du=arecop.org%2fdownload%2fGlow%252038A.pdf&ru=http%3a%2f%2farecop.org%2fdownload%2fGlow%252038A.pdf&ld=20130611&ap=10&app=1&c=acpro16.ggl7&s=acpro16&coi=771&cop=main-title&euip=71.237.22.183&npp=10&p=0&pp=0&pvaid=edfc4758aa8a44cebb467c59acc46071&ep=5&mid=9&hash=E74ECE29983A9CA222F95C2F896B8B3D"
target=_blank><CITE></CITE></A>
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<B>From: </B>"Tom Miles" <tmiles@trmiles.com><BR><B>To: </B>"Paul
Anderson" <psanders@ilstu.edu>, "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Tuesday, June 11,
2013 10:14:34 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<BR><BR><!--[if !mso]>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Paul,</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Look
for their meat grinder. If you have a cake or meal like fuel you can make a
wet meal and extrude spaghetti-like pellets that are cut off as you make
them. Then dry it. You end up with a dried lump like Jeff Davis’ fireballs –
a low density but nicely shaped fuel pellet. Dog food is made the same way.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We
use the technique for making pellets for fiber and seed mixes but there is
no reason why you can’t make fuel pellets that way. We have seen this
technique used for cooking stoves in small projects in India and China.
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
advantage for a stove fuel is that making a wet meal and drying it is a low
energy process. When we used to make ag pellets with binders we probably
used about 30-50 kWh/ton. In the 1980s pellet mills were re-designed to make
dense fuel pellets that depend on heating the fiber to 90 C in the die to
enhance adhesion through hydrogen (paper) bonding and lignin flow. Specific
power consumption increased to 75-100 kWh/ton in the pellet mill because
yiou are converting electrical energy to heat. Particles need to be dry
(<8% MC) and fine (<6 mm) to make a good pellet. Christa has a small,
capacity, mill that makes fuel pellets in this way. There are also the
Chinese mills with vertical dies that can be used. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Remember
Jeff Davis’ fireballs? He put wet fuel into a cement mixer, rolled it into
balls and dried it out. He showed that it made great fuel for a TLUD
gasifier. Why not a stove?</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom</SPAN></P>
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Paul Anderson [mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 11,
2013 6:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves<BR><B>Cc:</B> Tom Miles<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] wheat husk
pellets</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Tom,<BR><BR>My quick look at Cabela's site did not turn
up any pellet or briquette maker. Please provide a
link.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR></P><PRE>Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"</PRE><PRE>Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072</PRE><PRE>Website: <A href="http://www.drtlud.com" target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A></PRE>
<P class=MsoNormal>On 6/11/2013 7:25 AM, Tom Miles wrote:</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
world is full of failed densification systems. You don’t have to go all
the way to a high density (35 lb/ft3) fuel pellet. Put the crumbled cake
through a meat grinder with a large sieve and dry out the pellets. Make’s
a great fuel. $1,000 from Cabela’s. It’s a mini version of Richard’s
press. There are Chinese versions of course. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Stoves [<A
href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>mtrevor<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:25
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I absolutely
agree with you right down the line, however I am generally the odd man
out.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The only
pelleting machine they had here was in the copra mill for the cake.
</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It was phased
out years ago Now they just move bulk crumble. Even though you do not
approve</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">the crumbled
cake burned nicely in my XL woodgas stove. </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There is no
coir dust as the is no industrial processing of husks. Beside the husks
are spread ove an area </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">maybe 1/3 of
the entire United States</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">there is a very
small scale briquetting operation based on one of Richard Stanley's
</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">lever press and
scrap paper at the local waste company. Effective processing of biomass
waste would be important </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">but its limited
diffuse distributed nature makes this nearly impossible. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">There are some
real challenges involved here.</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Michael N
Trevor. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=paul.olivier@esrla.com href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target=_blank>Paul Olivier</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves</A> </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tuesday,
June 11, 2013 8:29 PM</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Stoves]
wheat husk pellets</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Michael,</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Can you access pellets in the Marshal
Islands?</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Do you have coconut dust in the Marshal
Islands?</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Coconut dust is in an ideal powder form for
pelletizing,</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> and it contains a lot of lignin that should
serve as a natural binder.</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I would urge funding agencies to get involved in the
finance of pellet machines throughout the world.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Funding agencies should also be investing heavily in
biochar research.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>When farmers understand the value of biochar, it will
acquire value.<BR>Its sale will cover the cost of making
pellets.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Once again, fuel preparation is critical.<BR>Imagine
where the coal industry would be without coal preparation.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>There are a lot of bad fuels out there, such as
coconut dust, that need to be prepared.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Paul</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:44 PM, mtrevor <<A
href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net"
target=_blank>mtrevor@ntamar.net</A>> wrote:</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dear
Paul </SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If
you start making this unit please advise.</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thank
you</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Michael N
Trevor</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Majuro </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re:
[Stoves] wheat husk pellets</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In my previous email I concluded by
saying:<BR><I>What's needed above all else, in my opinion, are small,
beautiful TLUD's that make use of pellets. Such units could be
situated in modern kitchens throughout the world. Once these units are
in place, the rest will follow.</I></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>It seems that Home Depot, Wal-mart, Lowes, Ace,
Agway and many others large retailers in the USA all carry wood
pellets. Why can we not make TLUDs that make use of these pellets as
fuel? The only thing that changes is the height of the reactor: it's
much less than the height of a reactor that uses undensified biomass.
This means that the TLUD is small, lightweight, mobile and much
cheaper.<BR><BR>Here is an example of what I am talking about:<BR><A
href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf"
target=_blank>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf</A><BR>The
total height of the reactor is less than 10 inches.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This reactor holds about 2 kgs of
pellets.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This gives a burn time of about one and a half
hours.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The reactor itself in 304 stainless steel weighs
less than 1.5 kgs.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>We've already tested taller TLUDs on rice hull
pellets,</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> and they emit the same beautiful blue flame
as when loose rice hulls are used.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Another big advantage of pellets is that there is
much less particulate matter emissions compared to loose rice
hulls.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Loose rice hulls are dusty, messy, bulky and a real
nuisance to store and load.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In an urban setting it makes no sense to be hauling
in loose rice hulls of a bulk density of only 80 kg/m3.</P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>If we're going to compete with fossil fuel gas,
we've must reach a certain level of convenience and ease of use.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Paul</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Paul Olivier
<<A href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target=_blank>paul.olivier@esrla.com</A>> wrote:</P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>See comments below.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott <<A href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"
target=_blank>crispinpigott@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Dear Paul O<BR><BR>The reason is economics.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In may cases transport distances are short, and the
economics are quite good, and yet we complacently continue to burn
fossil fuels. I lived for over 20 years in West Flanders in Belgium
where wheat fields encroached upon densely populated rural areas, and
yet everyone merrily burned LPG gas to cook a meal. Later I move to
Waxahachie, Texas, a small town near Dallas, and once again, wheat
fields were everywhere. Yet no one dreamed of making wheat husk or
wheat straw pellets and using them to make syngas to cook a
meal.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>China is showing at the moment that the
maximum radius that is viable to transport pellets/briquettes is 150
km.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal>China appears to be struggling with a lack of
infrastructure in getting pellets to market. How does one explain the
economics of shipping coffee husk pellets from Brazil to Holland as we
see in this link? <A
href="http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/"
target=_blank>http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/</A>
This is a thoroughly bold undertaking, but does it make sense to
transport coffee husk pellets half way around the world to provide
fuel for Dutch power stations? Why not make use of these pellets in
Brazil? Also, one might argue that the highest and best use of coffee
husk pellets would be, not to burn them in huge power stations, but to
generate from them a syngas that would replace bottled gas or other
forms of fossil fuel gas. The biochar left over from these stoves
would then be returned to the soil.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>$76 a ton is cheap by Canadian standards but
far higher than the price of coal per delivered MJ.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Not always so. Vietnamese coal coming from the
north costs more per delivered MJ than rice hulls pellets. </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>In Vietnam there is a huge multi-billion dollar
infrastructure that underlies the mining, preparation and
transportation of coal.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>This infrastructure does not yet exist for waste
biomass pellets.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Agri-waste pellets are a nice fuel provided
they have been prepared properly.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>The same applies to coal and all other fossil
fuels.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Coal preparation is a gigantic and complex
undertaking.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>If the value of char is 'always there' it is
quite possible the economic equation will change with the
introduction of gasifiers, however the same energy production rate
will increase the demand for transport and raw husk
supply.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Yes, you are right. The
introduction of pellet gasifiers in a given area will create a demand
for pellets, and the demand for pellets will stimulate the
construction of the infrastructure needed to meet this
demand.</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>You know all this. How about giving us an
equation or spreadsheet that includes the whole value
chain?</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Stovers could plug in their local costs and
make a comparison between options. In at least <I>some
</I>circumstances the gasification route would be the most
viable.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Instead of using the word "some". I would prefer to
say "many".</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>The UK buys wood pellets from Canada to burn
in power stations, but that is subsidized by pensions grannies and
the working poor.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Once again, why haul
pellets from Canada to the UK? Does the UK not have an abundance of
agricultural waste? And once again, should we not focus more on
producing syngas from pellets and directly using this syngas to cook a
meal? Burning pellets to make electricity is surely not the wisest way
to proceed, especially if this electricity is used as a source of
energy to cook a meal. Why not bypass the power station
altogether?</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>What's needed above all else, in my opinion, are
small, beautiful TLUD's that make use of pellets. Such units could be
situated in modern kitchens throughout the world. Once these units are
in place, the rest will follow.</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Regards<BR>Crispin<BR>>From BB9900</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Paul
Olivier <<A href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>To: Discussion of
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