<div dir="ltr"><div>Is there a hand-operated device that can make pellets of a 9 mm diameter?<br></div><div>Can lignin binding temperatures be reached?<br></div><div><br></div>Paul<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Richard Stanley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hola Tomas y Trevor, <div><br></div><div>The compound lever wood press is properly known as the 'mini Bryant press' after its original inventor the late Ben Bryant.<div>Trevor if your resource is scattered so widely then why not scatter / diffuse decentralise / devolve production as well? Its there that employment is needed no ? </div>
<div>What kind of volume for any one area makes sense to you . Therea re morehtna 25 generically different press design in use now globally, some are small one person operations others like the Haiti and Hungary multigang hand operated 6 person crew models crank out more than 20 briquettes a minute…or over several working , about 5000 bqs a day which is sufficient for the cooking heating and sanitation needs of about 2000 persons …</div>
<div><br></div><div>lots of options…The mini brant may or may not be your best bet...</div><div><br></div><div>Richard Stanley</div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Tom Miles wrote:</div>
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<div><div><div class="h5"><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The world is full of failed densification systems. You don’t have to go all the way to a high density (35 lb/ft3) fuel pellet. Put the crumbled cake through a meat grinder with a large sieve and dry out the pellets. Make’s a great fuel. $1,000 from Cabela’s. It’s a mini version of Richard’s press. There are Chinese versions of course.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>Stoves [mailto:<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>mtrevor<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:25 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I absolutely agree with you right down the line, however I am generally the odd man out.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The only pelleting machine they had here was in the copra mill for the cake.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It was phased out years ago Now they just move bulk crumble. Even though you do not approve</span><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">the crumbled cake burned nicely in my XL woodgas stove.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">There is no coir dust as the is no industrial processing of husks. Beside the husks are spread ove an area</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">maybe 1/3 of the entire United States</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">there is a very small scale briquetting operation based on one of Richard Stanley's</span><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">lever press and scrap paper at the local waste company. Effective processing of biomass waste would be important</span><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">but its limited diffuse distributed nature makes this nearly impossible.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">There are some real challenges involved here.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Michael N Trevor.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">. </span> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:black;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div><div class="h5"><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">----- Original Message -----<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-color:rgb(228,228,228)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Paul Olivier</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:29 PM<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div>
<div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:12pt">Michael,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
Can you access pellets in the Marshal Islands?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Do you have coconut dust in the Marshal Islands?<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Coconut dust is in an ideal powder form for pelletizing,<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> and it contains a lot of lignin that should serve as a natural binder.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">I would urge funding agencies to get involved in the finance of pellet machines throughout the world.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Funding agencies should also be investing heavily in biochar research.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
When farmers understand the value of biochar, it will acquire value.<br>Its sale will cover the cost of making pellets.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Once again, fuel preparation is critical.<br>Imagine where the coal industry would be without coal preparation.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">There are a lot of bad fuels out there, such as coconut dust, that need to be prepared.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Paul<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:44 PM, mtrevor <<a href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mtrevor@ntamar.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
</div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear Paul</span><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">If you start making this unit please advise.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thank you</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Michael N Trevor</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Majuro</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Marshall islands</span> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">n</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:black;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div><div class="h5"><div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">----- Original Message -----<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-color:rgb(228,228,228)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Paul Olivier</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:54 PM<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>Re: [Stoves] wheat husk pellets<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="h5">
<div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">In my previous email I concluded by saying:<br><i>What's needed above all else, in my opinion, are small, beautiful TLUD's that make use of pellets. Such units could be situated in modern kitchens throughout the world. Once these units are in place, the rest will follow.</i><u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>It seems that Home Depot, Wal-mart, Lowes, Ace, Agway and many others large retailers in the USA all carry wood pellets. Why can we not make TLUDs that make use of these pellets as fuel? The only thing that changes is the height of the reactor: it's much less than the height of a reactor that uses undensified biomass. This means that the TLUD is small, lightweight, mobile and much cheaper.<br>
<br>Here is an example of what I am talking about:<br><a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/150%20Gasifier/Short/DrawingsUltra/001.pdf</a><br>
The total height of the reactor is less than 10 inches.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
This reactor holds about 2 kgs of pellets.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">This gives a burn time of about one and a half hours.<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">The reactor itself in 304 stainless steel weighs less than 1.5 kgs.<u></u><u></u></div>
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We've already tested taller TLUDs on rice hull pellets,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
and they emit the same beautiful blue flame as when loose rice hulls are used.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
Another big advantage of pellets is that there is much less particulate matter emissions compared to loose rice hulls.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
Loose rice hulls are dusty, messy, bulky and a real nuisance to store and load.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
In an urban setting it makes no sense to be hauling in loose rice hulls of a bulk density of only 80 kg/m3.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
If we're going to compete with fossil fuel gas, we've must reach a certain level of convenience and ease of use.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
Paul<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div></div>
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Paul Olivier <<a href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">paul.olivier@esrla.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div>
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">See comments below.<u></u><u></u></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:12pt">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div class="h5"><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">Dear Paul O<br><br>The reason is economics.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">In may cases transport distances are short, and the economics are quite good, and yet we complacently continue to burn fossil fuels. I lived for over 20 years in West Flanders in Belgium where wheat fields encroached upon densely populated rural areas, and yet everyone merrily burned LPG gas to cook a meal. Later I move to Waxahachie, Texas, a small town near Dallas, and once again, wheat fields were everywhere. Yet no one dreamed of making wheat husk or wheat straw pellets and using them to make syngas to cook a meal.<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>China is showing at the moment that the maximum radius that is viable to transport pellets/briquettes is 150 km.<u></u><u></u></div>
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China appears to be struggling with a lack of infrastructure in getting pellets to market. How does one explain the economics of shipping coffee husk pellets from Brazil to Holland as we see in this link?<a href="http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.coffeehabitat.com/2007/10/coffee-husks-as/</a><span> </span>This is a thoroughly bold undertaking, but does it make sense to transport coffee husk pellets half way around the world to provide fuel for Dutch power stations? Why not make use of these pellets in Brazil? Also, one might argue that the highest and best use of coffee husk pellets would be, not to burn them in huge power stations, but to generate from them a syngas that would replace bottled gas or other forms of fossil fuel gas. The biochar left over from these stoves would then be returned to the soil.<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>$76 a ton is cheap by Canadian standards but far higher than the price of coal per delivered MJ.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Not always so. Vietnamese coal coming from the north costs more per delivered MJ than rice hulls pellets.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
In Vietnam there is a huge multi-billion dollar infrastructure that underlies the mining, preparation and transportation of coal.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
This infrastructure does not yet exist for waste biomass pellets.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>Agri-waste pellets are a nice fuel provided they have been prepared properly.<u></u><u></u></div>
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The same applies to coal and all other fossil fuels.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
Coal preparation is a gigantic and complex undertaking.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>If the value of char is 'always there' it is quite possible the economic equation will change with the introduction of gasifiers, however the same energy production rate will increase the demand for transport and raw husk supply.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Yes, you are right. The introduction of pellet gasifiers in a given area will create a demand for pellets, and the demand for pellets will stimulate the construction of the infrastructure needed to meet this demand.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>You know all this. How about giving us an equation or spreadsheet that includes the whole value chain?<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>Stovers could plug in their local costs and make a comparison between options. In at least<span> </span><i>some<span> </span></i>circumstances the gasification route would be the most viable.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Instead of using the word "some". I would prefer to say "many".<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>The UK buys wood pellets from Canada to burn in power stations, but that is subsidized by pensions grannies and the working poor.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Once again, why haul pellets from Canada to the UK? Does the UK not have an abundance of agricultural waste? And once again, should we not focus more on producing syngas from pellets and directly using this syngas to cook a meal? Burning pellets to make electricity is surely not the wisest way to proceed, especially if this electricity is used as a source of energy to cook a meal. Why not bypass the power station altogether?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">What's needed above all else, in my opinion, are small, beautiful TLUD's that make use of pellets. Such units could be situated in modern kitchens throughout the world. Once these units are in place, the rest will follow.<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br>Regards<br>Crispin<br>>From BB9900<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
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