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<DIV>Hello JJ,</DIV>
<DIV>I see you are new at Stoves list. I am relatively new also—just
joined the Stoves List after the January 2013 ETHOS CONFERENCE in Kirkland,
Oregon. I have a stove project in the Philippines – see <A
href="http://www.eco-kalan.com">www.eco-kalan.com</A> . Come to the STOVE
CAMP 2013 at Aprovecho on July 22-25, 2013 in Cottage Grove, Oregon to
learn about TLUD stoves (these use rice hulls) and rocket stove ovens –this will
cost you $300 for the course. Hotel nearby has very reasonable weekly
rate.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am forwarding the recent discussions on the danger in using rice hulls
for combustion due to cristobalite, just in case you have not seen these
yet. More to follow. Welcome to the community.</DIV>
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<DIV>Rebecca Arrieta (my Filipino maiden name) Vermeer </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ravermeer@telus.net
href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=paul.olivier@esrla.com
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ravermeer@telus.net
href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</A> ; <A
title=larryw@gotsky.com href="mailto:larryw@gotsky.com">larry winiarski</A> ; <A
title=jonnygms@gmail.com href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Fw: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove
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<DIV>Hello Paul,</DIV>
<DIV>Larry just told me that the silica content of rice hull ash is over
90%. At the ETHOS 2013 Conference, I saw a TURBO stove developed in the
Philippines which used rice hull for fuel. Given your comment below
regarding cristobalite “which is a nasty carcinogen” and severely hazardous to
human health (see link below), would you recommend the use of rice hull as
a household fuel for cookstoves? </DIV>
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<DIV>Rebecca Vermeer</DIV>
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<DIV>CRISTOBALITE LINK:</DIV>
<DIV><A title=http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf
href="http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf">http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf</A></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:01 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove
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<DIV>Paal,<BR><BR></DIV>One thing I look for on my burner is that all burner
holes support a flame throughout the process. If channeling occurs during the
process or if char is being burned as the process comes to a close, then one can
see burner holes that do not support a flame. This means that CO2 is being
discharged from the burner holes, and of course CO2 does not burn. When CO2 is
formed, this represents a big inefficiency, since combustion takes place far
below the pot. When this happens the sides of the reactor can easily turn red
hot and melt. I do not know how it is possible to spot the presence of CO2 if
the top of the reactor stays open and does not have a lid with burner
holes.<BR><BR></DIV>If one turns up the fan a bit too high resulting in
channeling, it can happen that only a few holes (among a total of 80 in my case)
do not support a flame. If I turn the fan down a bit and shake the reactor, this
problem is immediately corrected. Also the effect of the presence of CO2 can be
spotted by the cook in another way. The distribution of heat to the pan is not
even.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Also many of the positive characteristics of biochar are lost when biochar
is combusted and is reduced to ash. The combustion of biomass and biochar takes
place when channeling occurs, and the combustion of biochar takes place if the
fan is not turned off at the end of the process. Rice hull ash and rice hill
biochar are not at all the same thing when it comes to growing plants. <FONT
color=#ff0000>Also rice hull ash can easily contain cristobalite, which is a
nasty carcinogen. Under ordinary conditions, no farmer should be handling this
stuff.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#00ff00></FONT> </DIV>Thanks.<BR></DIV>Paul<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Paal Wendelbo <SPAN
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lang=EN-US><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">By end of flame the color of the char
is red to yellow, that indicate a temperature of 700 to 800 ˚C and when there
is no smoke, complete combustion has taken place. Is that not good for
biochar?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regards Paal
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