<html><head><base href="x-msg://7/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">And they tout char production because they never took the time to master wet binding with natural fibers , all the while looking the other way when lighting up these kilns…<div>Hmm<div>R Stanley</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:58 AM, mtrevor wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div dir="ltr" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Rebecca</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Watch this one----</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqI63IEg3MM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqI63IEg3MM</a></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Michael</font></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ravermeer@telus.net" href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mtrevor@ntamar.net" href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">Michael N. Trevor</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ravermeer@telus.net" href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jonnygms@gmail.com" href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:48 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] coconut usage in improved stoves</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; "><div>Michael,</div><div>I am so pleased to meet an ex copra maker and one who knows the coconut so well!! So I presume you know very well the native “tuba” drink from the flower shoot? Do take a look at my photo album below :</div><div> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 13pt; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0cm; "><a href="https://plus.google.com/photos/113101643783889350444/albums/5889511496280160113/5889528293743607618?pid=5889528293743607618&oid=113101643783889350444"><font color="#0000ff" style="font-size: 11pt; ">https://plus.google.com/photos/113101643783889350444/albums/5889511496280160113/5889528293743607618?pid=5889528293743607618&oid=113101643783889350444</font></a></p><div>– you will see the coconut husk (bucong) strung together; your preferred frond mid ribs (palwa) and the charcoal from coconut shells (inside sacks and plastic bags). The charcoal makers are my biggest competitors for the bucong I need to fire my eco-kalans. Take a close look at photo #37 -the small pottery to the right which looks like a vase uses “oling” or coconut shell charcoal; to the left you will find the big traditional kalans which can use firewood, “palwa” or “bucong”. The “bucong” is the fuel of the poorest and the “bingka” or rice cake bakers; the “palwa” is bought by the not so poor; firewood by the middleclass; and the “oling “ is bought by the many food vendors (like “tocinos” – similar to sate in Malaysia or Indonesia, steamed meat buns, boiling water for disinfecting spoons & forks....) and households for broiling fish and meats (sinugba).</div><div> </div><div>Oling is made by burning coconut shellls in a hole in the ground –a smoky process with a lot of energy going to waste. Do you know a better way??</div><div> </div><div>Rebecca</div><div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal tahoma; "><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mtrevor@ntamar.net" href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, June 14, 2013 12:31 PM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Stoves] coconut usage in improved stoves</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Dear<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">Rebecca</font></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">As an ex copra maker I have met the coconut and know it well.</font></div><div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I have made copra by the tons.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font size="2" face="Arial">I know coconut husk and flower shoot and fronds and shell</font><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Here the husks are generally burned in 3/4/5 wedge sized pieces. After the nuts are husked<div><font size="2" face="Arial">women haul them in from the husking areas and sun dry them in the yards. It is exhausting back breaking work</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Husk is a pretty good mosquito chaser and its low burn temperature make it very good for cooking rice.</font></div><div>BUT THE SMOKE!!!!</div><div> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I would like to see a retort system running heat to a copra drier to produce better copra with out bugs and mold</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Arial">coconut shell charcoal for sale as a by product.<div><font size="2" face="Arial">In more recent years the has been some switch to your "bucong" of course this mean no more shell left over. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font> </div></font><font size="2" face="Arial">Splitting husk with shell in to multiple little wedges would<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Arial">be considered a lot of additional work. Coconut husk it tough stuff.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Arial">I find slicing off the leaflets in the field and</font><font size="2" face="Arial">using the coconut frond mid rib chopped into segments and split length wise<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Arial">easier. The resulting stick like<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Arial">pieces feed into a rocket stove easier. The f</font><font size="2" face="Arial">lower spaths are superb rocket stove fuel.</font></div></font> </div><div> </div></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Michael</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Marshall Islands</font></div><div> </div><div>----- Original Message -----</div></div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ravermeer@telus.net" href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mtrevor@ntamar.net" href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">Michael N. Trevor</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ravermeer@telus.net" href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jonnygms@gmail.com" href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:30 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life</div><div> </div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; "><div>Hello Michael,</div><div>Thank you for your suggestions and question. My comments are as follows:</div><div>1. I have considered experimenting with high silicate ash from the foot of Mt. Canlaon, in northern part of Negros Oriental. The ash is free and my partners with the 11th IB of the Philippine Army in Negros Or. and the Memorial Elementary School in Canlaon would bring the ash to Dumaguete City. If this does not work, I’ll follow up on the TLUD route.</div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div>2. Jon & Flip Anderson (Aprovecho volunteers) have shown me their work with insulating bricks to form the combustion chamber in Timor Leste. The insulating bricks are weak, fragile bricks which require a strong, heavy duty shell exterior (e.g. cement)to protect the combustion chamber and to support big cooking pots. I still think that tiny insulating “clay marbles” between the heavy duty, all clay, fired kalan and combustion chamber is the most practical way to pursue. I am hopeful Rolf and ECOWORXX can find a way to produce these insulating clay marbles or pebbles cheaply.</div><div> </div><div>3. For those who have not seen a coconut husk – it is a by-product of COPRA (mature coconut meat) production. Every 3 months, the coconuts are harvested, cut into 2 halves, and meat is extracted and dried to make copra. The husk and inside shell is dried in roof-covered sheds or storage buildings to make “bucong” – the fuel we use to fire the eco-kalans to 900 degrees Celsius. To use the “bucong” or coconut husk with shell for fuel in a rocket stove, it is requires chopping the husk with a machete into narrow wedges (like a cantaloupe) and a combustion chamber opening as wide and as high (5.5”x5.5”) as that of the eco-kalan.</div><div> </div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal tahoma; "><div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Rebecca Vermeer</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri">Eco-Kalan Project in the Philippines</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri">British Columbia, Canada</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mtrevor@ntamar.net" href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, June 14, 2013 1:44 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Rebecca</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Why not gassify rice hulls in a TLUD and then use the low cristobalite "tough" high silicate ash to mix your insulation.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Perhaps take a lead fom Aprovecho's play book and fire your liner in multiple wedge shaped pieces negating the need to break</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">things up.</font></div><div> </div><div>How do to "prepare" your coconut husks for use in a rocket stove?</div><div> </div><div>Michael N Trevor</div><div>Marshall Islands</div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ravermeer@telus.net" href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jonnygms@gmail.com" href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, June 14, 2013 8:25 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life</div><div> </div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12pt; "><div>Paul,</div><div>I currently use wood ash as insulating material between the kalan and combustion chamber of the eco-kalan (a rocket stove using wood, charcoal, coconut husk, shell, fronds and other parts of the coconut tree). The eco-kalan uses 75-85% less firewood and therefore a lot less ash is produced compared to traditional kalans and other traditional cookstoves in Negros Oriental, Philippines. A shortage in supply of ash is one fact<div> </div>or which affects sales of eco-kalan. I have considered making an insulating material using a 50-50 mix by volume of rice hull & clay in the form of pellets or bricks which would be broken to pieces after firing. I would fire the pellets or the bricks along with the eco-kalans up to 900 degrees Celsius. Will there be significant formation of cristobalite under these conditions? Would handling the fired pellets or the breaking of the bricks be a health hazard? Thanks,</div><div> </div><div>Rebecca Vermeer</div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal tahoma; "><div> </div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, June 14, 2013 12:07 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ravermeer@telus.net" href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A. Vermeer</a></div><div><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jonnygms@gmail.com" href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="larryw@gotsky.com" href="mailto:larryw@gotsky.com">larry winiarski</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Fw: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><p>Rebecca,</p><p>If we directly burn river hulls, there should be a lot of cristobalite formed. If we gasify, this problem should be minimized, provided channeling does not occur. Also there might be cristobalite in the particulate matter in the combustion gases. With rice hull pellets in a TLUD we have a lot less channeling, and a lot less particulate matter. Therefore the rice hull pellet becomes an attractive fuel for these and many other reasons.</p><p>Thanks.<br>Paul Olivier</p><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 14, 2013 1:44 PM, "Rebecca A. Vermeer" <<a href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">ravermeer@telus.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; "><div>Hello Paul,</div><div>Larry just told me that the silica content of rice hull ash is over 90%. At the ETHOS 2013 Conference, I saw a TURBO stove developed in the Philippines which used rice hull for fuel. Given your comment below regarding cristobalite “which is a nasty carcinogen” and severely hazardous to human health (see link below), would you recommend the use of rice hull as a household fuel for cookstoves?</div><div> </div><div>Rebecca Vermeer</div><div> </div><div>CRISTOBALITE LINK:</div><div><a title="http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf" href="http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf" target="_blank">http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf</a></div><div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><b></b></div></div><div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><b></b> </div></div><div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">Paul Olivier</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal tahoma; "><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:01 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Paal,<br><br></div>One thing I look for on my burner is that all burner holes support a flame throughout the process. If channeling occurs during the process or if char is being burned as the process comes to a close, then one can see burner holes that do not support a flame. This means that CO2 is being discharged from the burner holes, and of course CO2 does not burn. When CO2 is formed, this represents a big inefficiency, since combustion takes place far below the pot. When this happens the sides of the reactor can easily turn red hot and melt. I do not know how it is possible to spot the presence of CO2 if the top of the reactor stays open and does not have a lid with burner holes.<br><br></div>If one turns up the fan a bit too high resulting in channeling, it can happen that only a few holes (among a total of 80 in my case) do not support a flame. If I turn the fan down a bit and shake the reactor, this problem is immediately corrected. Also the effect of the presence of CO2 can be spotted by the cook in another way. The distribution of heat to the pan is not even.<br><br></div><div>Also many of the positive characteristics of biochar are lost when biochar is combusted and is reduced to ash. The combustion of biomass and biochar takes place when channeling occurs, and the combustion of biochar takes place if the fan is not turned off at the end of the process. Rice hull ash and rice hill biochar are not at all the same thing when it comes to growing plants.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff0000">Also rice hull ash can easily contain cristobalite, which is a nasty carcinogen. Under ordinary conditions, no farmer should be handling this stuff.<br></font></div><div><font color="#00ff00"></font> </div>Thanks.<br></div>Paul<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Paal Wendelbo<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paaw@online.no" target="_blank">paaw@online.no</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 13pt; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0cm; "><span lang="EN-US"><font style="font-size: 11pt; ">Ron</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 13pt; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0cm; "><span lang="EN-US"><font style="font-size: 11pt; ">By end of flame the color of the char is red to yellow, that indicate a temperature of 700 to 800 ˚C and when there is no smoke, complete combustion has taken place. Is that not good for biochar?</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: 13pt; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0cm; "><span lang="EN-US"><font style="font-size: 11pt; ">Regards Paal W</font></span></p></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Paul A. 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