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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
face=Calibri>Eco-Kalan Project in the Philippines</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
face=Calibri>A Slideshow Presentation by Rebecca A. Vermeer to the </FONT></P>
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face=Calibri>Hello Crispin and All,</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
face=Calibri>Thank you very much Crispin for sharing your ideas with
me. Before commenting on your suggested changes to the Eco-Kalan, I
would like to study the above Geres Report and learn more about the Keren and
ASN cookstoves. Please send me links to the ASN. In the meantime, I
invite you all to look at the Eco-Kalan Project in the Philippines. Thank
you.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><FONT
face=Calibri>Rebecca Vermeer</FONT></P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=crispinpigott@gmail.com
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">Crispin Pemberton-Pigott</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:23 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=priantiutami@gmail.com
href="mailto:priantiutami@gmail.com">Prianti Utami</A> ; <A
title=christina@arecop.org href="mailto:christina@arecop.org">Christina
(E-mail)</A> ; <A title=yzhang7@worldbank.org
href="mailto:yzhang7@worldbank.org">Yabei Zhang</A> ; <A title=cec1863@gmail.com
href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com">Cecil Cook, Technoshares</A> ; <A
title=ldurix@aol.com href="mailto:ldurix@aol.com">Laurent Durix</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ravermeer@telus.net
href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">'Rebecca A. Vermeer'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Stove from Philippines</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">Dear
Tami<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">This
stove is a possible for local reproduction in Central Java. The advantage is
that unlike a Keren the combustion chamber does not support the pot. It shows
there is a way to make the put support from clay instead of iron, though that
may or may not be appreciated by the users. Have to ask
first…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">I
would make changes to the Eco-Kalan:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">First
there should be no insulation in the hollow space – the heat getting there
should be used to preheat air.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">Second
the grate should have small holes or rounded bars as we are doing with the Keren
inserted grate.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">Third,
the air should be coming from the back, not the front – partly below the grate
and partly above it through a hole at the back of the combustion chamber and the
air drawn from within the hollow centre, like the ASN. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">Fourth
a secondary air hole should be provided at the back about where the flame hits
the clay to reduce the clay temperature and push the flame back to
centre.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">Fifth
the top should be sealed in the same manner as the ASN, with a lip to support
cement or clay to seal in the air which should only enter from some chosen
point.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">If
the fuel hole was shorter vertically it would limit the smoke coming out the
front as we found in the improved Keren. It is already quite
good.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">Notice
the hood over the stoves and the space under it for storing wood. That might not
be acceptable to people who like to sit on or near the floor, but it is a good
way to have a clean kitchen without a chimney stove.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">With
smaller holes in the grate and the shape correct (from the lessons with the
steel and cast iron Keren grate) the char would be burned pretty much
completely.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us">The
grate could be cast iron but as with the improved Keren, it would have to be
tilted (which would probably assist reduction of char).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; mso-fareast-language: en-us"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
am copying Rebecca so she hears the ideas and might try them.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Regards<BR>Crispin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">+++++++++<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Dear
ALL,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thank you for your
suggestions –all food for thought. I don’t think I will have a problem
igniting and creating the pyrolytic front for the conversion of coconut shells
into “oling” (coconut charcoal) if I use an upper layer of “bucong”
–coconut husk with the shell in it. I have fired my eco-kalans to 900
degrees Celsius over a 10 hour period without problem sustaining any temperature
level. To answer Paul, I do not have any knowledge base on TLUD technology
but I am learning from these discussions and hope to learn more at Stove
camp. I think it has potential for coconut charcoal making but I doubt if
any of the TLUD stoves to date can beat the all around cooking performance of
the marathon running eco-kalan (yes, a clay rocket stove!!). By the
way, the charcoal performs very well also in the eco-kalan. You just have
to double up the parilla (fuel shelf) –see video towards the end, Cooking with
Oling at <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=http://youtu.be/mRdwiWkVf30
href="http://youtu.be/mRdwiWkVf30">http://youtu.be/mRdwiWkVf30</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=mtrevor@ntamar.net href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:52 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=jonnygms@gmail.com href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> Re:
[Stoves] coconut usage in improved stoves
continued<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca
has primarily worked with fired clay rocket stoves.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">We were
discussing the use of various parts of the cocnut as alternative
fuels</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">In the
Philipines they have a fairly well developen market for various cocnut products
as fuel</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">In
particulat they have wide spread fired clay charcoal burners. She had commented
on the use of primative</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">pit
kilns and their pollution/ I pointed her toward Amy Smiths work hopefully to
reduce some polluion</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Moving
into retorts or TLUD unit may be in the future but I beleive for now she is
going to be expanding her</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">rocket
stove capabilities. I am glad to see other picking up on Rebacca's
travails</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I am
not much into charcoal until I can find a effective use for its heat and smoke,
maybe a copra dryer.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Michael
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Marshall
Islands</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">--- Original Message
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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title=terra-matricula@hotmail.com
href="mailto:terra-matricula@hotmail.com">Otto Formo</A>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Stoves Bioenergylist</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=jonnygms@gmail.com href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:13 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> Re:
[Stoves] coconut usage in improved stoves<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca,<BR>Haveing
tested briquettes made out of rice husks and sawdust in a gasifier unit
(Natural Draft), we experienced the same challenge to ignite and creating the
pyrolytic front.<BR> <BR>I would suggest you create an upper layer of
woodchips, on top of your coconutshells, to create that pyrolytic front more
easily and ignite the chips, using woodshaveings or even gras, as a starter.
<BR> <BR>REMEMBER: <BR>Do not pour liquid materials, like kerosine ,
directly into the fueling Chamber!<BR>This will distrub the pyrolytic process
and reduce the outcome of your charcoal or biochar
production.<BR> <BR>Good
Luck.<BR> <BR>Thanks<BR> <BR>Otto<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Date: Sat, 15 Jun
2013 23:03:35 -0500<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>CC:
<A href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">jonnygms@gmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[Stoves] coconut usage in improved stoves<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca,<BR><BR>To
make your oling (coconut shell charcoal), the TLUD technology is highly
appropriate. The density of the shell pieces makes them slightly
difficult to initially light (the same as with densified wood
pellets). But just make a slightly larger and longer burning
"starter fire" to get the initial layer of pyrolyzing biomass that becomes the
pyrolytic front that migrates slowly down through the column of shell
pieces.<BR><BR>How familiar are you with the TLUD
technology?<BR><BR>Paul<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Website: <A href="http://www.drtlud.com" target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">On 6/15/2013 12:48
AM, Rebecca A. Vermeer wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Michael,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I am so pleased to
meet an ex copra maker and one who knows the coconut so well!!
So I presume you know very well the native “tuba” drink from the flower
shoot? Do take a look at my photo album below
:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
href="https://plus.google.com/photos/113101643783889350444/albums/5889511496280160113/5889528293743607618?pid=5889528293743607618&oid=113101643783889350444"
target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">https://plus.google.com/photos/113101643783889350444/albums/5889511496280160113/5889528293743607618?pid=5889528293743607618&oid=113101643783889350444</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">– you will see the
coconut husk (bucong) strung together; your preferred frond mid ribs
(palwa) and the charcoal from coconut shells (inside sacks and plastic
bags). The charcoal makers are my biggest competitors for the bucong I
need to fire my eco-kalans. Take a close look at photo #37 -the small
pottery to the right which looks like a vase uses “oling” or coconut shell
charcoal; to the left you will find the big traditional kalans which
can use firewood, “palwa” or “bucong”. The “bucong” is the fuel
of the poorest and the “bingka” or rice cake bakers; the “palwa” is
bought by the not so poor; firewood by the middleclass; and the
“oling “ is bought by the many food vendors (like “tocinos” – similar to
sate in Malaysia or Indonesia, steamed meat buns, boiling water for
disinfecting spoons & forks....) and households for broiling fish and
meats (sinugba).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Oling is made by
burning coconut shellls in a hole in the ground –a smoky process with a lot
of energy going to waste. Do you know a better
way??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=mtrevor@ntamar.net href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Friday, June 14, 2013 12:31 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
[Stoves] coconut usage in improved
stoves<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Dear
</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Rebecca </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">As
an ex copra maker I have met the coconut and know it well.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
have made copra by the tons. I know coconut husk and flower shoot and fronds
and shell <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Here
the husks are generally burned in 3/4/5 wedge sized pieces. After the nuts
are husked <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">women
haul them in from the husking areas and sun dry them in the yards. It is
exhausting back breaking work<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Husk
is a pretty good mosquito chaser and its low burn temperature make it very
good for cooking rice.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">BUT
THE SMOKE!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
would like to see a retort system running heat to a copra drier to produce
better copra with out bugs and mold<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">with
coconut shell charcoal for sale as a by product. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">In
more recent years the has been some switch to your "bucong" of course this
mean no more shell left over. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Splitting
husk with shell in to multiple little wedges would be considered a lot of
additional work. Coconut husk it tough stuff. I find slicing off the
leaflets in the field and using the coconut frond mid rib chopped into
segments and split length wise easier. The resulting stick like pieces feed
into a rocket stove easier. The flower spaths are superb rocket stove
fuel.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Michael</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Marshall
Islands</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=ravermeer@telus.net href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A.
Vermeer</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
; <A title=mtrevor@ntamar.net href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">Michael N.
Trevor</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=ravermeer@telus.net href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca A.
Vermeer</A> ; <A title=jonnygms@gmail.com
href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon Anderson</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:30 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello
Michael,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thank you for
your suggestions and question. My comments are as
follows:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">1. I have
considered experimenting with high silicate ash from the foot of Mt.
Canlaon, in northern part of Negros Oriental. The ash is free
and my partners with the 11th IB of the Philippine Army in Negros Or. and
the Memorial Elementary School in Canlaon would bring the ash to Dumaguete
City. If this does not work, I’ll follow up on the TLUD
route.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">2. Jon
& Flip Anderson (Aprovecho volunteers) have shown me their work with
insulating bricks to form the combustion chamber in Timor Leste. The
insulating bricks are weak, fragile bricks which require a strong, heavy
duty shell exterior (e.g. cement)to protect the combustion chamber and to
support big cooking pots. I still think that tiny insulating “clay
marbles” between the heavy duty, all clay, fired kalan and combustion
chamber is the most practical way to pursue. I am hopeful Rolf and
ECOWORXX can find a way to produce these insulating clay marbles or
pebbles cheaply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">3. For those who
have not seen a coconut husk – it is a by-product of COPRA (mature coconut
meat) production. Every 3 months, the coconuts are harvested, cut
into 2 halves, and meat is extracted and dried to make copra.
The husk and inside shell is dried in roof-covered sheds or storage
buildings to make “bucong” – the fuel we use to fire the eco-kalans
to 900 degrees Celsius. To use the “bucong” or coconut husk
with shell for fuel in a rocket stove, it is requires chopping the husk
with a machete into narrow wedges (like a cantaloupe) and a combustion
chamber opening as wide and as high (5.5”x5.5”) as that of the
eco-kalan.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca
Vermeer</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Eco-Kalan
Project in the Philippines</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">British
Columbia, Canada</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=mtrevor@ntamar.net href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Friday, June 14, 2013 1:44 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove
life<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Why
not gassify rice hulls in a TLUD and then use the low cristobalite "tough"
high silicate ash to mix your insulation. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Perhaps
take a lead fom Aprovecho's play book and fire your liner in multiple
wedge shaped pieces negating the need to break</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">things
up. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">How do to
"prepare" your coconut husks for use in a rocket stove?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Michael N
Trevor<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Marshall
Islands<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=ravermeer@telus.net href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca
A. Vermeer</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=paul.olivier@esrla.com
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=jonnygms@gmail.com href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon
Anderson</A> ; <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Friday, June 14, 2013 8:25 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove life<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Paul,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I currently
use wood ash as insulating material between the kalan and
combustion chamber of the eco-kalan (a rocket stove using wood,
charcoal, coconut husk, shell, fronds and other parts of the coconut
tree). The eco-kalan uses 75-85% less firewood and therefore a lot
less ash is produced compared to traditional kalans and other
traditional cookstoves in Negros Oriental, Philippines. A
shortage in supply of ash is one fact <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">or which
affects sales of eco-kalan. I have
considered making an insulating material using a 50-50 mix
by volume of rice hull & clay in the form of pellets or bricks which
would be broken to pieces after firing. I would fire the pellets
or the bricks along with the eco-kalans up to 900 degrees Celsius.
Will there be significant formation of cristobalite under these
conditions? Would handling the fired pellets or the breaking of
the bricks be a health hazard? Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca
Vermeer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=paul.olivier@esrla.com
href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com">Paul Olivier</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Friday, June 14, 2013 12:07 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=ravermeer@telus.net href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">Rebecca
A. Vermeer</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=jonnygms@gmail.com href="mailto:jonnygms@gmail.com">Jon
Anderson</A> ; <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
; <A title=larryw@gotsky.com href="mailto:larryw@gotsky.com">larry
winiarski</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Re: Fw: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove
life<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca,<BR>If
we directly burn river hulls, there should be a lot of cristobalite
formed. If we gasify, this problem should be minimized, provided
channeling does not occur. Also there might be cristobalite in the
particulate matter in the combustion gases. With rice hull pellets in a
TLUD we have a lot less channeling, and a lot less particulate
matter. Therefore the rice hull pellet becomes an attractive fuel for
these and many other reasons.<BR>Thanks.<BR>Paul
Olivier<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">On Jun 14,
2013 1:44 PM, "Rebecca A. Vermeer" <<A
href="mailto:ravermeer@telus.net">ravermeer@telus.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hello
Paul,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Larry just
told me that the silica content of rice hull ash is over 90%. At
the ETHOS 2013 Conference, I saw a TURBO stove developed in the
Philippines which used rice hull for fuel. Given your comment
below regarding cristobalite “which is a nasty carcinogen” and
severely hazardous to human health (see link below), would you
recommend the use of rice hull as a household fuel for
cookstoves? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Rebecca
Vermeer<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">CRISTOBALITE
LINK:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf
href="http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf"
target=_blank>http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1657.pdf</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=paul.olivier@esrla.com href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com"
target=_blank>Paul Olivier</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:01 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
<A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Re: [Stoves] : Re: Insulation and stove
life<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Paal,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">One thing I
look for on my burner is that all burner holes support a flame
throughout the process. If channeling occurs during the process or if
char is being burned as the process comes to a close, then one can see
burner holes that do not support a flame. This means that CO2 is being
discharged from the burner holes, and of course CO2 does not burn.
When CO2 is formed, this represents a big inefficiency, since
combustion takes place far below the pot. When this happens the sides
of the reactor can easily turn red hot and melt. I do not know how it
is possible to spot the presence of CO2 if the top of the reactor
stays open and does not have a lid with burner
holes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">If one turns
up the fan a bit too high resulting in channeling, it can happen that
only a few holes (among a total of 80 in my case) do not support a
flame. If I turn the fan down a bit and shake the reactor, this
problem is immediately corrected. Also the effect of the presence of
CO2 can be spotted by the cook in another way. The distribution of
heat to the pan is not even.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Also many of
the positive characteristics of biochar are lost when biochar is
combusted and is reduced to ash. The combustion of biomass and biochar
takes place when channeling occurs, and the combustion of biochar
takes place if the fan is not turned off at the end of the process.
Rice hull ash and rice hill biochar are not at all the same thing when
it comes to growing plants. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red">Also rice hull
ash can easily contain cristobalite, which is a nasty carcinogen.
Under ordinary conditions, no farmer should be handling this
stuff.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Paul<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">On Wed, Jun
12, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Paal Wendelbo <<A href="mailto:paaw@online.no"
target=_blank>paaw@online.no</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Ron</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">By
end of flame the color of the char is red to yellow, that indicate a
temperature of 700 to 800 ˚C and when there is no smoke, complete
combustion has taken place. Is that not good for
biochar?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Regards
Paal W</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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