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<DIV>Frank</DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Simmering cannot be
a kind of a competition, I feel it has more to do with fuel saving and food
preparation. Some types of food need lower temperature during the preparation
and some types of food like rice, eggs and fish will be ready at 60 to 80
C˚.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In the 1930 ties here in Norway
it was common to utilize the “hay box” to save fuel and energy. That worked well
for porridge and rice.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Working with my
horizontal TLUD-ND I found that when the flame was ended the temperature in the
3 liter of water fall from 100 C˚ to 78 C˚ in one hour from the heat of the
remaining char</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><FONT face=Calibri><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Regards Paal
W</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=frank@compostlab.com
href="mailto:frank@compostlab.com">Frank Shields</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Aprovecho Stove Camp</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">*I
suggest plotting the temperature of the water. Once the water temperature has
reached 95c see how well you can keep it as close to 95c for say, one hour, as
possible. The stove producing the straightest line gets the prize.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Frank
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Stoves
[mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paal
Wendelbo<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Inversiones Falcon; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Stoves] Aprovecho Stove Camp<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black">Stove camp </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black">Will it be possible for the camp to define
the term <I>“simmering”? </I>From 100 C˚ down to what temperature will be
classified as simmering? It is important for the valuation of the use of bio
char.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black">Regards Paal W</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=invfalcones53@yahoo.com href="mailto:invfalcones53@yahoo.com">Inversiones
Falcon</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:56 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> Re:
[Stoves] Aprovecho Stove Camp<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN class=hps><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Ron</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <SPAN
class=hps>Thanks</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps>for keeping us informed</SPAN>, I am
personally <SPAN class=hps>very grateful,</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps>I wonder
if</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps>you can take some</SPAN> <SPAN
class=hps>pictures</SPAN> <SPAN class=hps>especially</SPAN> the <SPAN
class=hps>Guatemala</SPAN> <SPAN
class=hps>plancha.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"><BR><BR>Thanks againg<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Gus<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> "<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>" <<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>><BR><B>To:</B>
Discussion of biomass <<A
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>>
<BR><B>Cc:</B> Art Donnelly <<A
href="mailto:art.donnelly@seachar.org">art.donnelly@seachar.org</A>>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:14 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Stoves]
Aprovecho Stove Camp</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">List:<BR><BR>
This just a short summary of yesterday's first of five days at the Aprovecho
Stove Camp. This year, they are focusing on TLUDs. About 50
people were at the opening session, with about 20 - 25 from the different parts
of Aprovecho, and maybe 10 staying of those on as part of the camp.
<BR> The old timers here included<BR>
a Dean Still, who was the key organizer. I was most amazed of
everything here about how much Aprovecho has grown and changed over the 15 or so
years I have known Dean (who says he will retire in a
year).<BR> 1. We go maybe today
to a new factory for an off-shot firm called InStove (Only institutional
stoves (like one 100 liters). Damon Ogle is with them now. A first
overseas factory coming soon. Only Rocket principles
here.<BR> 2. We will visit the factory
where they are making the US StoveTec <BR>
3. We will visit a new 5 acre campus about 6 miles away - a former high
school where they will be moving to this
year.<BR> 4. I heard a little
about a new large research grant from DoE - one of four
nationally,<BR> 5. There were
staff people all over the place - maybe more than ten (?) not part of the
camp. <BR> 6. A key
organizer who introduced Dean was Mark Hatfield.
<BR> 7. Owner of the Apro property was
Fred Colgan - alo head of InStove<BR>
8. Larry Winiarski is a leader of one on 4-5 subgroups that formed.
Interestng oven design with a Rocket, built by a couple named
Anderson. Also a ceramic Rocket from
Philippines.<BR> 9. Dean is leading
one of the 4-5 subgroups - which is mostly on TLUDs, but one large plancha
design (18 by 24 inch - $22) plancha from Guatemala. Much of
yesterday learning how to use test equipment<BR><BR>
b. Paul Anderson, who brought 10 flat packs of a nice looking new TLUD
design from Uganda, for on-site assembly. <BR>Maybe 8-10 people in his
subgoup. Mostly will be doing testing here on (like all)<BR>Paul gave a
nice one hour intro to TLUDS. Both a son and grandson are
here.<BR><BR> c. Art Donnelly at last minute decided to
assemble one of his very large TLUD stoves from Costa Rica. His primary
air control from slight tilt using a wedge at the bottom.<BR><BR>Of course many
new-comers. I ended up speaking most to three school teachers from
D.C., hoping to establish a stove design challenge for 7th and 8th
graders<BR><BR>More coming.
Questions?
Ron<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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