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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">As another example, I have seen the
      varnished pot bottom after use with a fan assisted TLUD on low
      fire. At high fire there was none and that is with dry pellets.
      Both had no visible emission. I felt it was excess air and/or
      sneekage around the small flame that caused it. Turbulence was
      high with pre-heated secondary air. Perhaps the firing range of a
      TLUD can be expanded and remain minimal in "varnish", soot and CO,
      however I am of the opinion that there is only one tuned sweet
      spot for any burner and all other burn rates and air adjustments
      are a compromise unless there is also a change in the structure of
      the burner.  We need numbers on the scale of the compromise. <br>
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      Is varnish a good conductor?<br>
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      Alex<br>
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      On 30/07/2013 8:02 AM, Jonathan P Gill wrote:<br>
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      <div>Christa,</div>
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      <div>I have done that too. If the TLUD  is very poorly tuned, you
        can get nasty deposits from "dry" wood pellets. I have made some
        very nice creosote from wood pellets with TLUDS that were
        operating at too low a temp and had a very poor fuel air ratio
        with insufficient turbulence in the burning gases.</div>
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      <div>I find that, with proper tuning, I can achieve clean results
        from about any fuel, including freshly cut wood chips @ 40%
        moisture content. I can say this from experience.</div>
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      <div>Currently,  I am working in TLUD powered retorts heated from
        the bottom with gas jets coming out from the top.  These are the
        opposites of TLUDS as they are Bottom  Up designs.  So far so
        good. More to come...</div>
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      <div>Regards,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jock</div>
      <div><br>
        Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!</div>
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        On Jul 30, 2013, at 1:57 AM, CHRISTA ROTH <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stoves@foodandfuel.info">stoves@foodandfuel.info</a>>
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          <base href="x-msg://438/">The TLUD only if you have a well
          processed dry predictable fuel. otherwise you can coat the
          entire fins in a 'varnish' from condensed vapors and that is
          no tun at all to scrub off, not even from a flat bottom pot
          (done that…)
          <div>Christa (from the bush in Benin, with patchy internet
            access)<br>
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                <div>Am 29.07.2013 um 23:31 schrieb "Andreatta, Dale A."
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:dandreatta@sealimited.com">dandreatta@sealimited.com</a>>:</div>
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                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Yes, a
                          TLUD would have a lot less soot.  Charcoal
                          stoves too. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
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                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The
                          message from Todd Albi mentioned a Turbopot,
                          whose website I just checked out.  It also
                          claims fantastic results.  Who knew there were
                          all these finned pots out there?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dale<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                            Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size:
                                10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span
                              style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                              Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stoves
                              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves">mailto:stoves</a>-<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                                style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                underline; ">bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                Behalf Of<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tom
                              Miles<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                              July 28, 2013 2:27 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Discussion
                              of biomass cooking stoves'<br>
                              <b>Subject:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                              [Stoves] Cajun Rocket Pot<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span
                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Is a
                          TLUD likely to have less soot buildup on fins?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                          style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
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