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<DIV>Hello Cecil,</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for your excellent questions and comments. I will answer
you later today after I get some sleep. It is only now –August 1 at
2:36 AM in
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read your email. I have been busy cleaning my house after a painting and
drywalling job during a 10 day absence; and reviewing with my staff
and potters in the Philippines possible changes to the Eco-kalan designs.
Regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cec1863@gmail.com
href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com">Cecil Cook</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 24, 2013 2:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=art.donnelly@seachar.org
href="mailto:art.donnelly@seachar.org">Art Donnelly</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] Aprovecho Stove Camp</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Ditto the appreciation.
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<DIV>Can you name, describe and link us to the rocket stove from the
Philippines? Is it the three component clay ECO-KALAN C stove that was
recently introduced to the stove discussion group by Rebecca A Vermeer? </DIV>
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<DIV>If it is this stove, can someone explain to me how the cost to produce
these three components comes - as reported by Rebecca - to $25? How can
the cost of production for a fired clay stove produced by local potters and
ceramic workers in the Philippines possibly cost that much? In Java I am
sure the indigenous stove makers would be able to produce them for $2.50 to $3
each; the retail price would be perhaps $4 to $5. </DIV>
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<DIV>If the same ECO-KALAN C stove is on display at Stove Camp, then can
somebody who is attending the camp find out how a ceramic stove that would
probably retail for $4 to $5 in Indonesia (all costs in) can possibly cost a
charitable stove agent in the Philippines $28 per stove to produce and bring to
market??..I understand that Rebecca is including all the cost to her stove
charity to produce, store, transport, distribute, promote, demonstrate and
finally to market an improved stove. </DIV>
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<DIV>There must be well established traditional stoves on the markets in her
area that sell for less than 500 pesos each ($11.50) and stove customers are
simply not willing to spend an additional 700 pesos ($16) - which may take a low
income household a month of scrimping to save - to purchase the higher
performance ECO-KALAN C stove. In the end the battle to take and hold market
share has to be fought and won in the local stove markets. The benefits
offered to a stove buyer's household have to be obvious to consumers who will
not be willing to give up the familiar conveniences of their baseline
stoves. It will be <B>dramatic reductions in fuel collected or
purchased</B> together with equally dramatic improvements in </DIV>
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<DIV><B>(i.) speed of stove ignition and smoke production
during start up, </B></DIV>
<DIV><B>(ii.) ability of a stove to burn damp or wet wood,
</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>(iii.) the ability of a stove to combust multiple biomass fuels,
</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>(iv.) the capacity to turn up a stove's power to accelerate the
cooking process or to cook for special </B></DIV>
<DIV><B> occasions </B><B>and the
extended family, </B></DIV>
<DIV><B>(v.) the capacity of an improved stove to performs both
household and home industry functions with</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> equal </B><B>facility,
</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>(vi.) little or no change required in stove operation techniques
and knowledge to successfully cook on an </B></DIV>
<DIV><B> improved stove a</B><B>nd to
</B><B>get full benefit of its higher performance, and</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>(vii.) the capacity of an improved stove to replicate all of the
essential stove work functions traditionally</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> performed </B><B>by the
dominant baseline stove(s) or by radically improving one or more specific
stove</B></DIV>
<DIV><B> work functions </B><B>such as
introducing a TLUD stove that cooks very clean thereby </B><B>minimizing soot
</B></DIV>
<DIV><B>accumulation on </B><B>pots </B><B>and pans and n in a </B><B>much
cleaner kitchen possible,</B></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>e savings of money, time and effort to low income households at the Bottom
of the Pyramid rather that 'saving' the lungs, eyes and health of stove users
that will determine whether new stoves will gradually gain an increasing share
of the 'traditional' stove market. </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:14 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
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This just a short summary of yesterday's first of five days at the Aprovecho
Stove Camp. This year, they are focusing on TLUDs. About 50
people were at the opening session, with about 20 - 25 from the different
parts of Aprovecho, and maybe 10 staying of those on as part of the
camp. <BR> The old timers here
included<BR> a Dean Still, who was the key
organizer. I was most amazed of everything here about how much Aprovecho
has grown and changed over the 15 or so years I have known Dean (who
says he will retire in a year).<BR>
1. We go maybe today to a new factory for an off-shot firm called
InStove (Only institutional stoves (like one 100 liters).
Damon Ogle is with them now. A first overseas factory coming soon. Only
Rocket principles here.<BR> 2. We
will visit the factory where they are making the US StoveTec
<BR> 3. We will visit a new 5 acre
campus about 6 miles away - a former high school where they will be moving to
this year.<BR> 4. I heard a
little about a new large research grant from DoE - one of four
nationally,<BR> 5. There were
staff people all over the place - maybe more than ten (?) not part of the
camp. <BR> 6. A key
organizer who introduced Dean was Mark Hatfield.
<BR> 7. Owner of the Apro property
was Fred Colgan - alo head of InStove<BR>
8. Larry Winiarski is a leader of one on 4-5 subgroups that
formed. Interestng oven design with a Rocket, built by a couple named
Anderson. Also a ceramic Rocket from
Philippines.<BR> 9. Dean is leading
one of the 4-5 subgroups - which is mostly on TLUDs, but one large plancha
design (18 by 24 inch - $22) plancha from Guatemala. Much of
yesterday learning how to use test equipment<BR><BR>
b. Paul Anderson, who brought 10 flat packs of a nice looking new TLUD
design from Uganda, for on-site assembly. <BR>Maybe 8-10 people in his
subgoup. Mostly will be doing testing here on (like all)<BR>Paul gave a
nice one hour intro to TLUDS. Both a son and grandson are
here.<BR><BR> c. Art Donnelly at last minute decided
to assemble one of his very large TLUD stoves from Costa Rica. His
primary air control from slight tilt using a wedge at the bottom.<BR><BR>Of
course many new-comers. I ended up speaking most to three school
teachers from D.C., hoping to establish a stove design challenge for 7th and
8th graders<BR><BR>More coming.
Questions?
Ron<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Stoves
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