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<DIV><FONT size=4>Crispin,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The hopper fed coal burners sounds very interesting. I have no
experience with coal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The thing I spent the most time on with my hopper fed charcoal
smoke roasters was the high temp access door/ cap for the top of hopper.
How are the stove developers sealing off the hoppers?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Lanny</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=crispinpigott@gmail.com href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] The TLC burner is
new and improvedtechnology inbiomass burner design.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Dear
Lanny<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Using
a TLUD ignition and following that with a hopper fed burn is one good way to
limit total emissions including the ignition period.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">This
has relevance to testing of stoves where the ignition period is included in
some test ratings and not in others. As the householder is exposed to
everything from a fire, to me it seems sensible to include everything as part
of the burn cycle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">With
an always-on device like a hot water boiler in a heating system there are
arguably good reasons not to include the ignition period but (rather
obviously) that is not part of normal operation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">For
an actual reduction in the exposure of cooks to smoke, the ignition period is
a good target. Using a top-lit fire, like a good Boy Scout always does, is an
easy way to reduce the overall total PM mass emitted.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Incidentally
there were 13 stoves tested for the Ulaanbaatar Clean Air Project (UB-CAP).
There were 4 stoves selected for the second round of more intensive testing.
All the selected stoves were ND-TLUD’s. None are fan stoves. All achieved
>90% reduction in emissions based on the old baseline. The reason I
say ‘old baseline’ is that there has been a government mandated change in the
fuel available in the city (from one coal source to another) and the new
source is significantly different in composition. This resulted in a large
increase in the baseline emissions, meaning the baseline stove produce much
more smoke than it used to with the old fuel. In spite of this fuel change,
the new stoves were held to the old emission baseline and were still able to
dramatically reduce total PM and CO.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Now
that 100,000 stoves have been changed there are about 60,000 left. Some 45,000
will be change by the end of the year – at least that is the
target.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Depending
on the quality of combustion, a coal fire can significantly affect the taste
of food. With the newest stoves this is pretty good, though there is much to
be learned about how to ignite a stove for minimum smoke. My feeling is that
we can do better. Some stoves are still achieving 99.5% reductions even with
the new fuel so ‘much better’ is not unrealistic.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US>
Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Lanny Henson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:43
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Stoves] The TLC burner is new and improved technology inbiomass burner
design.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Crispin,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">If the wood is high quality
like well seasoned oak the water I am boiling does not take on a nasty
flavor. But of course high quality wood will be rare so a lid may be
necessary.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I have worked with hopper
fed designs mostly charcoal cookers. I have one that will hold steady
temps for 48 hours without refueling. You do have to pull the ashes every 12
hours though using briquettes. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Me and my senior cooking
partner cooked 2000 LB of pork for Habitat for Humanity an org that builds
houses for the poor* with 4 cookers that I designed in two cooking
sessions. We have another cook for the Knights of Columbus a Catholic
org, this Labor day. I do two charity events a
year.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">*The poor in the
USA should be called the "Impovrich". Hopefully soon I will be able
to help the "real poor" to which I have more
sympathy.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Lanny</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=crispinpigott@gmail.com href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Wednesday, July
31, 2013 4:59 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [Stoves] The
TLC burner is new and improved technology inbiomass burner
design.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Dear
Lanny<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Thanks
for the interesting review. I think it will be of interest to the viewers to
know that a pot heated all around will probably have to have a lid on it to
prevent the food absorbing smells from the combustion. This is so important
in certain regions that users can be observed waiting until ‘a certain
point’ during the ignition of a stove before putting on the pot to avoid any
contamination.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">There
are cases where the smoke is desirable but that is more unusual.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">So
there is no big issue for the cooker, it is just that the lid will probably
have to be on when cooking and the flat lid-thing will have to clear the
handle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">I
like the side loading. It is one approach to refuelling TLUDS’s (top-lit
updraft-started stoves). There is a variation on the theme in Mongolia which
is a TLUD with hopper fed continuation, and it generates >50 Watts of
electricity too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-fareast-language: EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
TLC burner (“Top Lit Combustor”) is new technology. I believe it is
step forward toward improved biomass cooking stove
design.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
TLC is a batch-fueled burner to which you can add fuel without creating
smoke to boost the heat and extend the cooking time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This
video demonstrates the “Top Lit Combustor” and the ‘School Lunch Cooker’s”
amazing capability to burn damp and wet wood outdoor in the rain. Even
adding a chunk wet concrete block does not stop this
burner.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
“School Lunch Cooker” uses the “TLC burner”, and my “Exhausted
Pot Shell” to cook outdoor in all weather. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This
stove just wants to cook!</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2FVCeR8QQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2FVCeR8QQ</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt" class=MsoNoSpacing><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Lanny
Henson</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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