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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Ron Et Al.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rongretlarson@comcast.net
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">Ronal W. Larson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 08, 2013 10:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] more on ocean
acidification</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>List: </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> 1. Apologies to Erin, but the conversation re ocean
acidification has turned enough into stoves topics I feel a need to enter and
also support Paul Olivier (who should have his hand slapped for bringing up
the ocean and pH subjects).</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># No comment.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> 2. First about the supposed outstanding talk by
a young unemployed recent chem engineering graduate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># There you go again, with a passive-agressive
ad hominum attack on the person, rather than what he says! Many of your
defensive responses start off in that manner</STRONG>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> I am pretty sure that his calculation (which I am not going
to go through even I were competent to judge in detail) was calculating the
<B><U>average </U></B>pH change in the ocean. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># He lays out his calculation methodology
clearly. You, on the other hand, are making a wild guess. His approach is
Scientific, while your approach is an undefended, unsupported, wild guess
opinion. Science and calculations trump such unsupported
opinions.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> The entire ocean community agrees that that change is small. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># What change, and what "ocean
community" are you referring to?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG> 1:The change as calculated by Steve
Burnett at </STRONG><A
href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/08/ocean-acidi-what/"><STRONG>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/08/ocean-acidi-what/</STRONG></A><STRONG> ?
</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>2: The change claimed by the AGW
Community?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>3: Others? </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Sweeping unspecific statements do not stand up
in True Science forums.</STRONG> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> All the talk of an 0.1 change in pH (same as 30% change when
not in log units) refers to the near surface pH.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># This is interesting!! It is the "AGW Ocean
Community" that is claiming a "...30% change..." and yet you seem to be
diminishing their claim by saying ".... the change is small..." when they are
are trying to promote the message that "... the change is
large..." Note also that the "AGW Ocean Community" seems to be promoting the
general message that "... the ENTIRE Ocean water mass..." has experienced a
30% change in acidity. I don't recall in seeing, in the articles
referenced by Paul Oliver, any statements that clearly state "... near surface
pH..." </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV> Calculating an average change is worse than ludicrous. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># That is a very strong statement. It deserves
support. Are you saying that what happens at depth in the Ocean does not have
an influence on what happens at the near surface? Are you saying that the
Oceans of the World do not "roll over", mixing "top water with bottom water"?
If so, how would you explain "The Ocean Engine Effect" and the changes at
depth shown in <A
href="http://www.pnas.org/content/106/30/12235.full">http://www.pnas.org/content/106/30/12235.full</A> at
the same time of the claimed near surface effects?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> His picking on one of the world's most well respected ocean
scientist (Lubchenko) displays further ignorance. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># Perhaps Dr. Lubchenco deserves to be
picked on? In Civil Engineering, we say "You are only as good as your last
bridge design.". She may be respected in other areas, but in the presentation,
she certainly seems to have stretched points and used unrepresentative
examples in her "30 second clip" experiments. Do you think that her
experiments are fully reflective of what happens in the
ocean?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Why should anyone be surprised that the average ocean
<U><B>surface</B></U> pH changes by 30% when the atmospheric level has changed
a little bit more?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># You are ASSUMING that the surface pH changes
by 30%, simply because the AGW Ocean Scientists say that it has changed by
30%. You are GUESSING that Burnett's calculation is based on an "ocean
average" rather than on "near surface water conditions." You dismiss his
calculation of a pH change of .001 units out of hand, by employing opinion,
rather than fact, or by disputing his calculations in a true science manner...
(A pH change of .001 would be the equivalent of an acidification increase of
0.23%, and not about 30%.) You assume that the "Original Pre-Industrial pH was
indeed 8.2. You ignore the difficulty of measuring small changes in pH
accurately. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> (there are huge fluxes each way every day) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># "Natural Fluxes" seem to be about 20 times as
great as CO2 fluxes from Anthropogenic CO2.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>A great reference on all this is the PNAS paper given today (by mistake?)
by Kevin. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># That is one of the cleverest back-handed
compliments that I have received in a long time. :-)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> Check wiki. Check a yesterday Skeptical Science article on
this at <A
href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocean-Acidification-Eating-Away-at-Life-in-the-Southern-Ocean.html">http://www.skepticalscience.com/Ocean-Acidification-Eating-Away-at-Life-in-the-Southern-Ocean.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># Interesting!! Another questionable experiment.
They take a pteropod, remove its "outer protective organic layer" and put it
in acidic seawater, and show that the shell will dissolve. If we took a lab
Rat, and removed its "outer protective organic layer", the skeleton would
likely dissolve when placed in acidic sea water also. Why didn't they do the
experiment with the "outer protective organic layer" left
intact???</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> I see no credentials (claimed or otherwise) for this young
guy</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># Another passive-agressive Ad Hominum attack.
"Good scientific Form" would be to attack his methodology and calculations,
rather than simply demeaning the person. Mere age does not confer
competence.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> knowing any biology, </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># He is disputing the pH issue, and is not
dealing with biology.</STRONG> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>so his comments on reduced calcium carbonate in certain sea creatures
should receive zero credence (especially in the Antarctic) And one
wouldn't expect anything like a peer review at WUWT. I consider WUWT to
be the antithesis of sound science. In my circles, it is considered a
joke.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># It is very understandable that your
circles would dismiss WUWT as a joke. The WUWT Site is based on
Science, Truth, and Fact, discussed in an open manner. The WUWT site is not a
"Consensus Science site."</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> 3. About half or more of the list has an interest in
char-making stoves. So I have to ask why Crispin is out there by himself
with the first pat of this following quote from him today. The entire
stove community from what I have seen disagrees with Crispin on this:</DIV>
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<I>It has so happened that in recent years the emergence of char making
TLUD stoves has exacerbated the errors in the simple models used for decades
and there are serious consequences for the stove section. Stoves that are
really IWA tier 1 performers can get a tier 4 rating for something because of
defects in the models. "</I></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"> My </FONT><FONT color=#1f497d
face="Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 15px">conclusion</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"> is this observation would be approved by
the vast majority of WUWT followers. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d face=Arial><STRONG>#
Yours is presently a baseless speculative conclusion. Why not submit it to
WUWT, and see what the response actually is? </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"> If something related to excess CO2
is proposed (such as char going in the ground), then the idea must be
bogus, because climate scientists are liars, cheats, free-loaders
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d face=Arial><STRONG># You
are making a strong sweeping and generalized statement. Can you support
it?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"> Well fortunately that is not the
majority view around the world and stove models and performance ratings are
doing perfectly fine, with Crispin fighting all the way.</FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d size=4 face="Calibri, sans-serif"> Glad to see Crispin
bringing this up and hope we can continue this stove-related
discussion.</FONT></DIV><SPAN
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<DIV
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color=#000000 face=Arial></FONT><FONT color=#000000
face=Arial></FONT><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
color=#1f497d size=3 face=Arial><STRONG># Mere "Consensus by interested
parties" is not Science. </STRONG></FONT></DIV><BR></SPAN>
<DIV
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I>4
. </I>The above two sentences were followed by these:</SPAN></DIV>
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"It is like that with the climate too. To date there are 73 well
known, accessible climate models (GCM’s). Not one of them has predicted the
current 200 month stasis in global temperature (indistinguishable from zero
change). That means the models are invalidated. The implications are pretty
serious.<O:P></O:P></I></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><I
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">
</I><FONT color=#1f497d size=4 face="Calibri, sans-serif">There
is no reason at all to conclude that the models are in </FONT><FONT
color=#1f497d face="Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 15px">error</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face="Calibri, sans-serif"> and "<I>invalidated" - </I>and least of all
for the relative flatness (for less than 200 months), given
every other AGW indicator. The oceans
have continued to warm (and levels rise). Arctic ice volume is
about the same as last year's record low. Record temperature highs
greatly exceeding record lows. For decades the annual land
temperature rise greatly exceeded the ocean temperature rise. Why be
surprised if it slows for awhile, to let the oceans catch up?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT color=#1f497d size=4
face=Calibri><STRONG># Even if there is "... slowing to allow the oceans to
catch up..." the models are wrong because they do not show this.
They say one thing, but observed reality shows another.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">5.
I applaud Cecil's comments. I didn't think Crispin defended well.
But not enough stove material there except Cecil's last on precaution.
Thanks Cecil.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>6. . Lastly, three additions below in the latest Crispin message.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># Crispin can comment on the points from his
message below.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Aug 8, 2013, at 12:21 PM, "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <<A
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com">crispinpigott@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:</DIV><BR class=Apple-interchange-newline>
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Kevin<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
thought the young man addressed matters very directly and effectively. There
is a comment below from a guy named Bob. Search for “Somewhere in my
misspent youth I picked up 3 degrees in chemistry, postdoctoral research and
a couple of decades in the chemical
industry.”</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<B>[RWL7. Te the young man - yes he wrote well - but missed the
main several points (stated above) Nothing here on stoves.
I have searched for "Bob" and have no idea what that was about.</B><BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
haven’t found a chemist yet who supports the ‘acid ocean’ theory. But as
Steve asks, why are they so silent? The answer is intimidation or they are
bored with such a stupid topic.</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<B>[RWL8: I have not above used the word "denier".
These exemplify denial. I don't think I could find a
published peer reviewed paper that didn't think ocean surface.
pH has been climbing steadily</B><BR>
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topic that should follow this into the grave of silence is: ‘burying
charcoal to help prevent the acidification of the oceans’. We do indeed have
a long way to go.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<B>[RWL9: I was going to stay out of this "stove" dialog
until reading this. Truly amazing to say this on a stove list where he
insults a</B></SPAN><SPAN
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least </B></SPAN><FONT color=#1f497d face="Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 15px"><B>half</B></SPAN></FONT><B
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> of
the list! And most of them are not about to become deniers if I can
help it. I think/hope Crispin indeed has a "<I>long way to go."</I>
Ron</B></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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yours,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Dear
Crispin</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Thanks very much for the URL for the
excellent article.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">It is amazing what can be deduced
using real science. :-)</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">It is scary that organizations like
the UN, IPCC, and NOAA don't have competent people on staff to vet
their "Ocean Acidification" statements. When a recent Chemical Engineering
Graduate can point out the folly of "jumping on the Ocean Acidification
Bandwagon", it should lead us to raise the
question:</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">"What else are the UN, NOAA, and
the IPCC telling us about AGW that is wrong?"</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Best
wishes,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Kevin</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>Stoves
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