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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Dean</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deankstill@gmail.com href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">Dean
Still</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 11, 2013 5:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] more on ocean
acidification</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Kevin,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Yes, but can we review after the ISO committees gather and make their
decision? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># That is "the Tail wagging the Dog!! The ISO Committee
simply "Casts in Stone what is converted to an ISO Standfard. Ther CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT step is the selection of the Test procedure/test procedures that are
sent along to teh ISO Folks for "Casting in Stone". If "The Test
Protocols" that are "selected" are garbage, then the ISO Process will simply
ensure that the test results are "consistent garbage."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># Where the "Independent and Competent Review" must take
place is BEFORE the protocols are sent to the ISO Committee. This must be a
totally open and transparent review, based on Science... not one that is
"cooked up behind closed doors." Science and Reason must dominate the
structuring of the Test Protocols, NOT Politics and Consensus Science. Science
and Reason will ensure that the ISO Committee can standardize on tests that
will give consistent, meaningful, and scientifically valid
results.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># There are probably a lot of "Unhappy Customers" who
were guided by the present stove Testing Protocols, and ended up being
disappointed by the stoves they bought.. Those who have structured these test
proposals have "had their kick at the can" and have generally failed. It is
time for "Fresh Blood" to "Bring True Science into Stove Testing
Protocols."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>BTW: Who is actually on the "ISO Committee?" I
would suggest that there should be TWO independent
Committees:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>==>COMMITTEE #1: It selects, develops and
tests proposed Stove Testing Protocals.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>==>COMMITTEE #2: It looks after the
implementation of the ISO Process for the Test Protocols recommended by
COMMITTEE 1. They must be different Committees, to avoid an obvious conflict
of interest that would exist if the same people ran both
functions.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># Do you support transparent and open review of
proposed stove testing protocols, by competent "Stove Professionals', BEFORE
they are sent to the ISO Committee for "casting in
stone"?</STRONG></FONT></DIV></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dean<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Kevin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
target=_blank>kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Dean</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Do you, as an Individual, " ...<STRONG> support
the external review of the various stove testing protocols by competent
independent authorities?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=deankstill@gmail.com href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Dean Still</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] more on ocean
acidification</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Kevin,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In the ISO process, which will take several years, hundreds of
experts from around the world will be proposing many different approaches
to testing. There are national tests in China and India. Who knows, it's
possible that a field based approach like the Controlled Cooking Test may
be used?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The "<STRONG><FONT face=Arial>external review of the various stove
testing protocols by competent independent authorities" is
taking place on an incredibly wide scale that is beyond the influence of
individuals. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><B><BR></B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><B>Best,</B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><B><BR></B></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><B>Dean<BR></B></FONT><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Kevin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
target=_blank>kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Dean</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=deankstill@gmail.com href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Dean Still</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 10, 2013
2:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] more on
ocean acidification</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Kevin,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Can you imagine a more thorough investigation than the
international ISO process that is occurring? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># Yes, I certainly can! All that the ISO Process
ensures is that a procedure is put in place to ensure that "whatever
is being done will be done consistently." If a "garbage stove testing
procedure" was submitted for ISO for ISO Approval, it could very well
get ISO Approval, and the result would be "consistent garbage
stove testing results".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># The first sensible step is to develop a
scientifically valid testing procedure, which THEN would be submitted
for ISO Approval. As long as ISO standards and procedures
were followed, such a scientifically valid testing procedure
would consistently give scientifically valid
results.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial># So... <STRONG>would you be prepared to
support the external review of the various stove testing
protocols by competent independant authorities?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dean<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Kevin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
target=_blank>kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Dean</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=deankstill@gmail.com href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Dean Still</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 09, 2013
9:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] more on
ocean acidification</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear All,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'd like to remind the List that the moderator has politely
asked that we return to the topic of stoves. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG># Good point! To advance "the
science of stove testing", would you be prepared to support
the external review of the various stove testing protocols by
competent independant authorities?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dean<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"
target=_blank>crispinpigott@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Dear
Ron<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
was going to reply but after subtracting the ad homina,
speculations, straw men and loose assertions there was nothing
left in the message. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
problem you will continue to have with me is I have read the
‘Skeptical Science’ playbook on how to handle skeptical
criticisms of AGW. It was a document put together by the Team
(as you know) and promoted to the compliant as a way to
communicate – a style, if you will – of how to handle people who
were ‘off message’. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">There
is actually a new one issued by some political group in the USA
which I read this past week. It is pages long. It includes
specific instructions for example to always mention ‘climate
disruption’ as it is harder to dispute and refute than ‘global
warming’ now that there isn’t any. It suggests ways to undermine
and weaken the appeal of speakers who are presenting contrary
evidence that undermines the catastrophic side of AGW (can’t
have that). The vast majority of CAGW skeptics concede a human
role in global warming, but assert that it is tiny and to date,
undetectable. The instructions are to try to try to paint
skeptics as ‘denying’ <I>all</I> human influence on the planet
then offers various pejorative comparisons that can be made so
as to cause consternation for the skeptic or those listening to
them.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
instructions from your buddies at SkS include always
pooh-poohing the credentials of any author cited, always trying
to paint the skeptical correspondent as ‘alone’ in their
understanding, always insert some mention of how settled things
are with the ‘majority’ of ‘reputable’ scientists and so on and
on. We have seen it all before. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You
are quite good at following the party line but it does not (at
all) address the fact that there is no such thing as ‘acidifying
the ocean’ when the number of anions is reduced through a
process called neutralisation so it is less alkaline. I will not
matter if my mother ‘wears army boots’. Facts are facts.
Peer-reviewed bunk is still bunk. As you will have noticed by
now I am completely unimpressed by
Letters<SUP>1</SUP>.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
the CAGW fear-mongering system falls apart country after country
is bailing out. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
Fred says (I cannot say it better myself):
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN>“…hundreds of billions of Euros have been squandered,
wasted, flushed down the Great Greenie Composting Toilet because
Public Policy in Europe was highjacked by a group of political
power craving environmentalists and grubby, funding desperate
scientists who realized their First Class ticket on the Fame and
Gravy train could be realized by abject fear mongering about
human influences on the climate.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN>“A disgraceful period in human history, one that will
not be treated well by future
historians.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN>Think of how much human good, human happiness that money
could have purchased. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN>“Think of how much real science, not the frothed up,
torqued up, glued together hockey sticks or photo shopped polar
bear pictures that currently disgraces the scientific community
could have taken place if the science funding had not been
hijacked by a small gang of morally vacuous scientists that are
only good at creating hysteria and performing kindergarten level
research.”<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Kindergarten
level research. What have I been calling for over the past 6
years with respect to stove testing? Surely everyone
knows by now. I am calling for the <I>peer review</I>, the
<I>independent assessment</I> of stove test protocols so that
they are validated and the results they give can be
believed. The resistance to this at every level has been
amazing and not without consequence. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">For
one, I have learned never to trust that a spreadsheet has no
errors in it. I compliment whoever is working on the PEMS hood
spreadsheet. The April 2013 version contains more than 100
fewer systematic errors that the 2010 version. But is still
has not been independently reviewed.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">WBT
4.xx has not been independently reviewed for precision,
accuracy and conceptual relevance.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Now
Ron, you have been most vociferous about how this or that
aspect of climate science information has been brought forward
in articles that ‘were not peer reviewed’ even if they were
true. How about giving up on trying to humiliate and
marginalise me on this list (or elsewhere – who knows) and put
your energy into demanding that the GACC, the WB, the EPA, the
Universities of Illinois, Colorado and Berkeley and anywhere
else submit their protocols to competent authorities for
independent review? Actually the WB has its project
protocols reviewed…well, they should continue to do
so.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
stoves world is awash in bad test results and invalid claims
and money trading hands on the basis of them. We
cannot change things overnight, but by implementing this rule
that you favour so highly a major contribution to the field of
domestic energy can be attained.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It
will not matter (here) if there is a record short summer in
the <A
href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/08/according-to-this-dmi-temperature-plot-the-arctic-has-dropped-below-freezing-about-two-weeks-early/#more-91293"
target=_blank>Arctic</A> or photos of stack emissions are <A
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NOv_4-KeeKI"
target=_blank>faked</A> or SkS takes in on the chin with a
Godwins Law <A
href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/07/inside-the-skeptical-science-secret-tree-house-bunker/#more-91202"
target=_blank>parody</A> or even if US winter temperatures
continue to <A
href="http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/image15.png"
target=_blank>plunge</A>. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
don’t like trumped up CAGW claims about what ‘it <A
href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm"
target=_blank>causes</A>’. I don’t like trumped up or trumped
down stove performance results.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Let’s
work together and bring some proper science and engineering to
the planet of stoves. I know you’ll want to help. We all
do.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks<BR>Crispin<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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